Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of songs about gangs

This is listcruft. There are at least a hundred thousand songs devoted to this subject-- there are artists who devote all their works to this (gangsta rap). Complete listcruft. This list could never be useful to anyone because if any researcher really were trying hard to find songs about gangs they'd just listen to any gangsta rapper out there.--Urthogie 22:08, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Disagree. While this is certainly a shitty list, it's an interesting one. There really aren't that many songs about gangs. There's songs about gang violence. Perhaps the list could be more focused on songs that feature the history of specific gangs (and not just studio gangs like the G-Unit or the Dip-Set or the DPG) instead of trying to really hammer in the "The list is unlimited and/or unmaintainable" point. MOD 01:40, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * This list has some great features such as:


 * 1) "Wild Wild West" by Will Smith
 * 2) "Who Let the Dogs Out" by the Baha Men

Almost all of it is inaccurate. And who's to say that a studio gang isn't a gang?--Urthogie 10:17, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I quote, "this is certainly a shitty list." If you read what I wrote instead of trying to play up the irrelevancy of it redundantly, you'd understand I'm not saying the list is great. I'm saying the list should be improved and more focused. MOD 11:41, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * As for the studio gangs not being real gangs, which studio gang do you know that actually does something illegal in real life? MOD 11:42, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry about redundancy there. What I'm saying is that 50 cent's songs are often about his experience in gangs before he made rap.  A large portion of his, and several other gangsta rapper's repetoire is devoted to gangs they used to be in, are in, or are in their hood.--Urthogie 19:04, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Not even half of 50 Cent's songs are about that. Name any G-Funk or gangsta rap classic and you'll see that there's very little about actual gangs in its lyrics. MOD 12:17, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Any song about bloods or crips. Thats a lot.  Heres a nice little google search for that, which results in around 3 hundred thousandç --Urthogie 15:31, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
 * This, of course, grabs every song by the artist "Bloods and Crips," grabs every index of a mirror lyrics site that has no actual lyrics on it, and grabs irrelevant articles and essays and a myriad of other documents containing the words "bloods," "crips," and "lyrics." An ohhla.com search puts the number at a reasonable 282 or so. That's still a shitload of music, and more than half of it will be irrelevant to the list specification anyway. As for "any song about bloods and crips," does this mean also The Game's Hate it Or Love It, Snoop Dogg's Drop It Like It's Hot, The Game's Don't Need Your Love, and countless others that mention gangs such as Bloods and Crips for a line or two and then move on? That's a rather vague identifier. My initial suggestion was to focus the list on the history of real gangs that have committed real, visible, actual crimes, that aren't just an MC's dream world, and I stand by it. MOD 21:21, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
 * The bloods and crips do have real histories.--Urthogie 16:50, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
 * OK, cite a good song about the history of gangs. MOD 11:46, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

This isn't List of songs about gang history. Its list of songs about gangs.--Urthogie 15:52, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
 * O.K. That's a great way to ignore everything already said completely. The point is, there aren't "at least a hundred thousand songs devoted to this subject." There are maybe, at most, 200-300 songs that qualify as truly songs about gangs, not just what gangs do or what its gang members do. The Google search above places the occurence of "crips" and "bloods" in the same song at right around 282. That means that about half of those songs are irrelevant to this list and that the other songs relevant to this list don't use those keywords. This list needs to be researched and properly categorized. Also: "if any researcher really were trying hard to find songs about gangs they'd just listen to any gangsta rapper." That's akin to saying if a chemist was trying to find a specific formula that he needed, he wouldn't look at the giant book with that formula's name and summary on the cover, he'd go through the entire library first. MOD 21:03, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
 * And to address earlier points, "Almost all of it is inaccurate" is vague. That's like saying around 50-100% of this could be 50-100% inaccurate. This, "And who's to say that a studio gang isn't a gang?" though already addressed, can be easily reanswered: any real gang on a street actually holding up liquor stores and selling crack cocaine. A teenager behind a keyboard is no authority on this topic. "Name any G-Funk or gangsta rap classic" -> "Any song about bloods or crips." Let me rephrase that for you: Name any famous piece of art. Your response: Any one of them about being famous. All in all, I'd say you're completely missing the point of why you even put up a AfD. So far, you haven't been able to counteract anything I've said effectively and convincingly, instead derailing the argument into some gray area . This AfD is pointless and you've failed to prove otherwise. MOD 21:10, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Can we agree that: the list should be deleted and started from scratch, with references?--Urthogie 09:31, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
 * That was my intention from the start. MOD 13:34, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok, cool. I'll do that.  By the way, we won't have to even close this AFD cus it was never linked to from Articles for deletion.  Lol.  Thats why it was only us two the whole time.--Urthogie 13:41, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Remember that the point of Wikipedia isn't original research. MOD 16:47, 11 April 2006 (UTC)