Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of songs about mental illness (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Delete. On weight of numbers, this is 5:2 for deletion. On weight of arguments, those favoring deletion correctly cite the "indiscriminate collection" section of WP:NOT, and (although not by name) WP:NOR and WP:RS. Lots of the reasons for including particular songs depend on the kind of interpretation that we shouldn't do, unless we can source where someone else has done it. No sources are cited at all. While sources may not be need for the lyrics, and thus not for cases where the lyrics explicitly refer to a specific mental illness, when described actions are interpreted as "compulsive" or the like, that needs sourcing. I am willing to place a copy of this (with history) in the userspace of anyone who asks with an intent to work on it, but please understand that the kind of edits done during the AfD won't be enough, reasons must require no interpretation, or be sourced, IMO. DES (talk) 03:16, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

List of songs about mental illness
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Despite making it through an afd a while back, I truly don't see how this list is much different than the numerous deletion and relistings from Articles for deletion/List of songs about weather, so I think a renomination is warranted. Bulldog123 08:23, 25 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletions.  -- Pax:Vobiscum 09:05, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. With annotation and split up by the conditions depicted (like List of songs about drugs, except better), this list might serve as a useful reference to how mental illness has been depicted in song. However, the current list only has annotations for a select few songs, and many of these annotations suggest that the listings are significantly subjective. For example:"'Good for You' by Third Eye Blind This song describes an obsessive relationship ('Cause I've been without, I go wild with doubt / I grab at you, I can't stop grabbing at you') and poorly concealed desperation, as in the lines, 'Everything is fine, I'm lonely all the time' and 'There's nothing wrong, just don't take too long.'" That's a lot of interpretation there, and I'm still not sure it counts as "mental illness". I'm also concerned that the list may end up being kind of endless - songs about depression, for example, are entirely too common for a list to be useful - heck, there's an entire genre devoted to it. Zetawoof(&zeta;) 10:11, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment That was a cheap shot. Kwsn (Ni!) 22:47, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete as an indiscriminate collection of loosely related info. Useight 16:35, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOT. Enough with the music lists!  Kwsn (Ni!) 22:47, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Take down and Retool I agree with Zeta that this list could be split up into specific illnesses, rather than the lame "0-9ABC" that exists now. This appears to be a work in progress, with some of the songs annotated.  One does have to be careful in distinguishing "sad songs", "suicide songs" and "drug songs" from songs that are actually about a specific mental illness.  You're familiar with all these recordings, clearly, so perhaps you need to ask yourself the question-- which of these would be something that a mental health professional could properly use as therapy?  I can see where this could be useful in the profession.  The list is going to get deleted, so save it now, and bring it back in another form.  Mandsford 23:41, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm confused. Is someone volunteering to work on this?  If so they should ask for it to be userfied (with the history).  I do see potential in this one, but I've already got quite a collection of these to work on.  -MrFizyx 18:33, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, a comment for my benefit, perhaps? I like your approach, Mr. Mxyzptlk-- you try to fix articles rather than dropping a cinderblock on their head.  My only hesitation about volunteering, besides the obvious excuse of "I don't got time" is working on the article and then it gets deleted anyway.  As you've seen, the general response to "List of songs about..." is NO NO NOT AGAIN NO NO OH GOD NO!!! So what do you do-- do you save the article, fix it up, then bring it back at a later time?  I fancy myself to be an armchair expert on both music and mental illness, so I'd be willing to do the fixup. Mandsford 22:54, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment I've started the editing process suggested by Mr. Fixyz. Turns out that quite a few of the songs were blue-links, nearly all of the bands are, of course.  I removed some that weren't actually about mental illness.  Editing only went to the "D's", since there's no point in doing more than that if it's going to get deleted anyway.  I hope that we can give this one (which survived its 1st nomination) more improvement. Mandsford 02:44, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep and allow Mandsford to continue the editing process. I'm convinced that we can also find some sources that discuss this subject.  If will be a while until i can help though.  I'm guessing that Mandsford is now changing from delete to keep--perhaps he can make that explicit? -MrFizyx 20:31, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep The nomination has no rationale for deletion other than comparing it with another AFD. That is not a good reason to delete a page with a 4 year history.  I don't see a problem with keeping this list. -- &#x2611; Sam uelWantman 03:03, 4 July 2007 (UTC)


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