Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of songs about the September 11 attacks


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Jayjg (talk) 16:50, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

List of songs about the September 11 attacks

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Full of redlinks, unverifiable entries ("Welcome to Hell"? Really?) and blatant OR. Cleaning this list up would require trimming it to like four songs. There may be a good list here, but a.) I think it's better to start over if such a list could be done and b.) redundant to category. The list is just so out of order that it needs to be blown up ("info provided by a friend"? What crackhead put that on?). It's been tagged for maintenance for over a year, but all anyone's doing is just making it worse. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 21:39, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. I don't see a legitimate deletion rationale.  I've erased some of the obvious crap.  Everything else needs citing.  Obviously, we need a secondary source telling us that "Empire State of Mind" is "about the September 11 attacks" but it could be done.  I think it's a somewhat cited, otherwise citable, and somewhat interesting list.  So let's keep it.  -- Y not? 23:12, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  —Tom Morris (talk) 00:14, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Terrorism-related deletion discussions.  —Tom Morris (talk) 00:14, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
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 * Keep. Legitimate list, subject of reliable sources, e.g. . Should be easy for TPH to expand and curate the article using the available sources. Fences  &amp;  Windows  00:24, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep No real rationale given for deletion - lots of articles are in a poor state - WP:SOFIXIT! AfD is not for cleanup.  Lugnuts  (talk) 06:38, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. I sympathize with TPH -- if this list were to be reduced to a meager four verifiable entries, that would be perfectly fine with me.  Any song currently listed which is not backed by a reliable third party source should be removed immediately.  WP:OR is not allowed.   coccyx bloccyx  (toccyx)  22:48, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Fix and keep: Can be cleaned up to be a reasonable, notable article  Purpleback pack  89  ≈≈≈≈  16:48, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep, completely ordinary list of songs by subject. Whether a song is about the September 11 attacks is unquestionably verifiable for many songs by notable musicians.  The nom's criticisms are not about the article's potential, but rather it's current state, which is completely inappropriate as a reason for deletion.  AFD is WP:NOTCLEANUP. postdlf (talk) 17:29, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm in a hurry right now, but this seems a reliable source: Springsteen to Alan Jackson: Top 10 Tunes About 9/11 postdlf (talk) 17:35, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, the nom does not appear to have followed WP:BEFORE even within Wikipedia, as many of the listed songs have articles in which their subject matter of 9/11 is cited within those articles (such as the Beyonce song). Not bothering even that minimal check before listing something for AFD on the claim that it's OR or unverifiable is completely unacceptable.  postdlf (talk) 17:39, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
 * There's also a whole section on music in the reference book September 11 in Popular Culture: A Guide. postdlf (talk) 18:28, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Reluctant keep, per Coccyx Bloccyx who has a made a valid point. FWIW I checked most of the blue links, 2 didn't direct to a song at all, one was written before 9/11, of the remainder only 3 or 4 actually mentioned they were about or partially about 9/11. All of which confirms in my mind nearly most of these lists by theme(especially for songs) are nothing more that depository for unreferenced opinions and not worth the trouble of the upkeep. It was a fair nomination, Ten Pounder, let's hope that one of us going for keep actually bothers to make the article actually worth keeping. --Richhoncho (talk) 19:54, 30 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep. Source anything possible, and remove everything else. I'm glad that this AfD has, at least, caused some improvement of the article, which has shown that it has potential.--Slon02 (talk) 01:48, 5 December 2011 (UTC)


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