Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of songs deemed the worst


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. T. Canens (talk) 06:36, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

List of songs deemed the worst
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This page is not neutral. Each entry has only one reference, meaning that there might only be one person who feels it belongs here, which goes against WP:UNDUE. Furthermore, this page is very incomplete. If someone completely rewrites this to include more songs and references, then MAYBE it could be kept. JDDJS (talk) 20:23, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep I agree that this and similar articles need care to avoid bias, and if the list was very poorly sourced to random blogs and podcasts I'd agree it might be a deletion candidate. However, the article is actually pretty well sourced and sources like Blender and VH1 are generally considered reliable for music topics. Thus, no convincing reason to delete. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  21:26, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I am not saying the sources aren't reliable. I am just saying that it's biased when you only have one person's opinion. For an article like this, every entry should have multiple sources. JDDJS (talk) 21:48, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not at all convinced why inclusion on this list would require multiple sources when facts in general require only one. Whether the song "Touch My Bum" sucks or not is hardly such a volatile matter that Wikipedia needs to create a special rule for it. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  23:42, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * It's not a special rule. It's WP:UNDUE. Just because one person thinks it's the worst song, doesn't mean it's the common opinion. For example, Who Let the Dogs Out is on the list, even though it is a popular song and as far as I know, only that one person thinks it's the worst. It should be proven that the song has received mostly negative reviews. JDDJS (talk) 20:51, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  — Logan Talk Contributions 21:45, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions.  — Logan Talk Contributions 21:45, 8 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete This is a very subjective list, with music opinions offered by people and media sources that have no clout in terms of determining musical tastes. So what if Dave Barry hates "MacArthur Park"? And Adoil Descended (talk) 01:09, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * So what if Dave Barry hates MacArthur Park? So he's a Pulitzer Prize-winning author and journalist who wrote a bestselling book on the subject after conducting a survey in which tens of thousands of people participated. If that's not a reliable enough source for you, I can't imagine what ever possibly could be. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  15:22, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * It is not a reliable source because Dave Barry is (allegedly) a comedy writer, not a music scholar. His approach to the subject is strictly for cheap laughs, not serious music scholarship. And Adoil Descended (talk) 01:45, 15 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep Referenced well, needs expansion perhaps. Perfectly neutral in that it is open to include the results of any major poll on the subject. Can't see anything wrong with it. Bienfuxia (talk) 01:16, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep A well sourced list with clear inclusion criteria, with references from well established and respected outlets.  Lugnuts  (talk) 06:54, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - I agree with Andrew Lehan's argument that the sources are reliable. However, for this list to pass WP:NOTDIR, it has to be shown that the fact that these songs have been deemed the worst is a non-trivial link between them, and I see very little evidence of that. Many of these songs have been "deemed the worst" despite having been commercial successes or even having positive critical reviews. We wouldn't have a list of songs considered the best, and the same reasoning applies. Anthem 20:36, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Note Anthem of joy has been indef blocked as a sockpuppet of Claritas . --Tothwolf (talk) 03:44, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep as per Starblind. WereWolf (talk) 00:48, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. My real problem with this article is the name, it doesn't define why a song is "deemed the worst" Could be lyrically, musically, promotionally, arrangement-wise, choice of artist or a 100 other reasons. I not happy with "worst of" or it's opposite, "best of" anything. Worst of houses? Worst of wines? Or even, horror of horrors, "worst WP article," I hope you all get my drift... However, if the article was called something along the lines of "Songs that have topped "worst of" polls" I can't see I could have an objection. I also think that those who are saying there should be more than one reference are actually thinking along the same lines as me. Cheers. --Richhoncho (talk) 12:44, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * we normally discuss name changes on the article talk page--it does not require an AfD.and if that is your only objection, your comment would seem to be best interpreted as a keep.    DGG ( talk ) 05:57, 15 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep Looks like a notable topic for a list, Reliable sources have discussed the idea of the "worst song ever" and suggested candidates. Issues with incompleteness or neutrality can be solved with normal editing rather than outright deletion. Qrsdogg (talk) 18:16, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep: Every entry is qualified and has a ref. The article could do with some expansion but it is worthy of inclusion on WP. — Half  Price  23:58, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. I don't see this as violating WP:UNDUE - if anything, it helps to prevent such material being included in the individual song articles. So long as reliable sources are cited for each entry, there's no POV issue either. As for the WP:NOTDIR argument, the topic of the "worst ever songs" as a whole has been covered by reliable sources, not just in the context of individual songs (examples include this and this). I'm just not seeing a case for deletion here. Alzarian16 (talk) 17:59, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment. As it seems there are reasonable reasons for keeping the article can we rename to keep in line with the lede that says "The following is a list of some songs topping polls for worst songs" because they are not, per se, the worst songs, only VOTED to be the worst songs.

Cheers. --Richhoncho (talk) 13:07, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep for the reasons given above. by Alzerian and others. And, since this will be third successive keep, and the consensus is quite clear and stable, re-nomination within the next two years would seem unhelpful.    DGG ( talk ) 05:57, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete: Rebecca Black's Friday is the best song ever, so this list is horribly flawed beyond repair.  Perhaps this article could exist if it wasn't a list article, but an article discussing the concept of selecting worse songs ever, because this is typical magazine fodder, and it should include notable examples.  Thus, even "Friday," can be included because numerous news sources suggested it was one of the worst songs of all time.  Those sources were all wrong, however.--Milowent • talkblp-r  16:01, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. Could stand to have some better sourcing and layout but this is a reasonable topic for a list.  Eluchil404 (talk) 06:35, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.