Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of songs in Guitar Hero II


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The result was keep. — TKD::Talk 01:25, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

List of songs in Guitar Hero II

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Appears to be gaming cruft indiscriminate list, much like the "list of cars in ridge racer" type articles Oscarthecat 17:53, 20 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep - I don't know why this is being nominated at this time, as presently we're discussing over at WP:CVG Talk the merits but (best that I know) haven't taken any action on deleting lists of car articles. I brought up this article as a hypothetic "devil's advocate" case to compare against (eg via WP:N) for the discussion. If this is unrelated to that discussion, then its still keep because the list of songs in GHII define the depth of what the game covers, and the information was already moved out of the main article per recommendation of getting it to a GA.--Masem 18:05, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep - Oscarthecat seems to be confused over what an 'indiscriminate' list is. There are very specific, unarguable criteria for inclusion on this list - that is, it must be included in Guitar Hero II. How it could be said that the list is 'indiscriminate' is beyond me. Darksun 18:55, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep - The list of songs in a game where the entire activity is playing those songs seems extremely relevant. Sometimes these lists can be hard to manage as part of the main article, but they certainly don't qualify for deletion unless they go into excessive and unnecessary depth (which this one doesn't). --Slordak 19:34, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep - I disagree with all of the above keep voters, as their arguments could be applied equally to lists of weapons in shooters, and lists of units in RTS. Both lists with specific unarguable criteria, of games where the entire activity is focused around these things (as much as Guitar Hero is focused on playing songs). My reason for voting keep is that it is an important characteristic of the songs - being featured in Guitar hero. Many of the songs (not only the artists) have their own articles, and because of that, this list is a valid instrument for not only the pure "collection of information" value, but also for navigation. It is also important to make a distinction between lists of purely fictional items, and lists of things that do exist, and are notable enough to have their own article. User:Krator (t c) 23:10, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. I agree that this is similar to cars in ____ or maps in ____ and is game guide content Corpx 02:10, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep per consensus above. Best, --  Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 04:24, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. Wikipedia isn't a game guide. Lists of vehicles, items, weapons and songs aren't notable for inclusion here. RobJ1981 05:27, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. I can't see the difference between this article and other fancruft like lists of cars. --MrStalker talk 17:04, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep - per User:Krator above --Naha|(talk) 17:16, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Strongest possible Keep - this article exists because of advice on the main Guitar Hero II article's GAC reviews, which specifically suggested that, while the content is important to the article, it took up too much screenspace in the main article. Due to the nature of the GH games, the song listings are crucial to a properly encyclopedic article on each game, but they do take up a lot of screenspace, and are best kept in a separate "list of" article, akin to television show episode lists, which, last I knew, were not considered listcruft.  Rdfox 76 22:34, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep per Rdfox 76. This article only exists due to the GAC review suggesting that the GHII article was too long; hence the song list was split out. Daggoth | Talk 01:10, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment. A suggestion by a person that did a review, doesn't determine what articles are made. Suggestions aren't facts, or things that must be done. Sounds more like an excuse of why the list exists, not a reason. RobJ1981 06:41, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep, it's a useful guide, and removing it won't exactly benefit anyone. Budtard 11:55, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge with Guitar Hero II article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MalwareSmarts (talk • contribs) 15:57, August 24, 2007 (UTC)
 * Pointing out that originally this list was completely within the GHII article and moved out per suggestion. However, if having this article stand on its own makes it deletion-worthy, while being contained within the article is reason to keep it, that's a perfectly acceptable solution. --Masem 03:39, 25 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Definitely Keep per Rdfox 76's well-voiced reasoning. Discgolfrules 23:39, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * keep i think it has a place in wikipedia 202.156.11.1 09:16, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep. Very feeble reasoning for a very useful list brought about by a GA review.  Agent Blightsoot 21:19, 25 August 2007 (UTC)


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