Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of songs in triple meter (1990-1999) (2 nomination)


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The result of the debate was DELETE. -Splash talk 00:21, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

List of songs in triple meter (1990-1999)
We deleted Songs in triple meter partly because it was unverifiable (since the music was not, for the most part, published in sheet form so could not be verified), partly because it was potentially vast (triple metre is not that uncommon). Additional concerns with this article are that: 12/8 is not, to my knowledge, triple metre, it's a compound double; I'm not even convinced 6/8 really qualifies since music in 6/8 is often beaten in two-to-the-bar, making it a compound double (certainly the 6/8 sections of the Agnus Dei in Beethoven's Missa Solemnis which I'm singing at the moment are two-to-a-bar). Unless and until we can have an authoritative scholarly source for the contention that these songs are in the time signatures claimed and that these time signatures are, in fact, triple metre, I say delete. Just zis Guy you know? 20:59, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment the previous nomination in November ended in "no consensus" result.  Grue   10:18, 26 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep I don't see the problem here. If you think there are songs not in triple meter, just remove them and optionally say on the talk page why. As for which signatures are considered triple meter, there is an ongoing discussion on the talk page. Deleting this useful list is totally unnecessary.  Grue   22:40, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
 * The problem is that the definition of triple metre is, I think, inaccurate, and the verifiability, is suspect, and there is nothing terribly unusal about triple metre (meaning that it has a vast number of potential entries), and it was previously deleted under another title, and it's original research since there are no sources stating that these songs are in triple metre. Apart from those, and the fact that it's listcruft, there are no problems of which I'm aware:-) Just zis Guy you know? 23:11, 25 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Comment. I can see how there are controversial cases where a scholarly opinion is needed to verify triple meter, but for most works, especially outside modern academic music, I think everyone would agree whether they're in triple meter or not. The song itself serves as a published source, like when we cite a novel as source when giving a summary of that novel.  Personally, I have little interest in lists of songs by decade and meter, but I don't see the list as fundamentally unverifiable, or unfixably inaccurate.  Maybe it should be deleted as recreation of deleted material, but it seems like the "similarity of content" criterion would be hard to assess for an ostensibly objective list.  --Allen 00:33, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
 * But what constitutes triple metre? The author of the article says that 6/8 and 12/8 are triple, but as far as I can tell they are generally treated as a compound duple.  That's the problem: the sources cited do not actually say that the song is in triple, listening to the song and deciding it's in triple based on what you (perhaps wrongly) think triple is, is original research.  If a secondary source could be cited which attests to these being in triple that miught be different, but there is no such source. Just zis Guy you know? 10:12, 26 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Exactly the same things are true as above - my feeling is this is another delete. Grutness...wha?  02:21, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. See my entry at the 2000-2009 AfD. Grand  master  ka  11:32, 26 March 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.