Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of songs performed live by Nightwish


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The result was Delete. Michig (talk) 06:44, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

List of songs performed live by Nightwish

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This seems more of a regurgitation of information coming exclusively from setlist.fm rather than being worthy of a stand-alone encyclopedic topic. The intro here and all of its sources just comes from Nightwish. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 00:03, 31 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep This is not the first article with such data, and is very important for Nightwish fans that performance data will exist at one location with the rest of the data for Nightwish. Similar articles exist on Wikipedia including this one for Metallica as well. I believe the intro is relevant, but it can be shortened and link instead to the relevant pages about the band. Please advise. NWWT (talk) 00:11, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Ok. NWWT (talk) 03:44, 6 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep Copied from another article or not, this page serves a different purpose than the main article about the band. The list is large and should not be merged into the main article in this detailed form, but it seems to be appropriate to be kept on this separate page. The list does not seem to clearly violate a Wikipedia guideline. What made me raise an eyebrow, however, is the "setlist" column consisting entirely of external links that should not be included there in my opinion. How about deleting that column? ~ ToBeFree (talk) 01:30, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the vote. Nightwish is currently on a 20-year anniversary worldwide tour. This tour features a rare setlist with songs of all albums, including songs that have not been performed over 10-15 years. As Nightwish fans, we watch a lot what songs have been performed recently and follow it very closely. About the setlist column, would you suggest to rename the links to look similar to This one for Metallica? it helps a lot when links are available to see specific data. NWWT (talk) 01:40, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Hmm. To be honest, I am not a fan of external links in articles. References are important, but are these links really reliably sourcing the information? Setlist.fm rather seems to be a wiki itself. Where are the real sources? If you'd like to include further information, that sounds very good, but why not on the Wikipedia page itself? ~ ToBeFree (talk) 01:54, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
 * PS: The Metallica comparison does not fit in this specific case, because the reference links of the Metallica list point to the official website of the band. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 01:55, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete unless good references are found, sorry. I would keep the article, but we do at least have a WP:RS problem ~ ToBeFree (talk) 15:59, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions.  MT Train Talk 04:03, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  MT Train Talk 04:03, 31 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete - I'm not seeing anything resembling notability and only WP:OTHERSTUFF/WP:USEFUL arguments to keep. Where is the in depth coverage of "songs performed live by Nightwish" that treats the list as a group/as a notable subject in its own right? This isn't even a list of songs, it's a list of songs performed live (??). I cannot even see a list like this being included in the main article. In addition to notability, this seems like an WP:INDISCRIMINATE matter like a list of songs that have played on a radio station, a list of bands that have had cats on an album cover, a list of songs by Metallica using an electric guitar, etc. Just not seeing it, sorry. &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 04:14, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. per WP:NOTSTATS and WP:NOR. Lists of songs that bands have written are generally notable. However this is a list of songs performed live by the band (mostly their own songs plus covers) the number of times they have performed that song in their lifetime and a link to setlist.fm (a website where fans publish setlists of specific gigs. The slogan THE SETLIST WIKI - obvious original research). This is merely fan trivia and does not fit the purpose an encyclopedia. Ajf773 (talk) 04:32, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - I don't recall any precedent for having articles like this. It's delving into fansite/unencyclopedic territory. WP:V is a major issue - WP:RS's report on set lists here and there, but there's no way they consistently report on every single show - making proper maintenance of such a list impossible. Sergecross73   msg me  12:25, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete What a band (however big) played on a wet Wednesday in Wisconsin is never going to pass notability. --Richhoncho (talk) 09:10, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - Fails WP:GNG. --  Dane talk  04:27, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - This article is clearly inspired by the Metallica list but per WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS that is not relevant for this particular debate. The Nightwish list does have some noteworthy pieces of trivia, such as the Sibelius covers, but those can be mentioned (with sources) at the band's main article. Otherwise I will have to back up all of the policies mentioned by the "delete" voters so far, particularly WP:RS, WP:V, WP:INDISCRIMINATE, and WP:NOR. I will add WP:FANCRUFT, because info does not qualify for an encyclopedia just because fans find it fascinating. That's what self-produced fan sites are for. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 14:55, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * And for what its worth, the Metallica version of the article has now been nominated for deletion, and currently is moving towards a consensus to delete as well... Sergecross73   msg me  12:49, 4 April 2018 (UTC)


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