Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of songs played by KAZR Lazer 103.3


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The result was delete. Yunshui 雲 水 11:44, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

List of songs played by KAZR Lazer 103.3

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Uncited list of indiscriminate, non-notable information. Killer Moff (talk) 15:31, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
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New to this process, not sure how to send messages. But why is this being considered for deletion? I get this info from a website and constantly listening to the station and put the info in a spreadsheet. I do not know how to list the sources. I made this page as I would be interested in what songs a radio station plays and it didn't need to be on the main page. Since i have been following it for a few months now I thought it would be nice to have if other were interested. Any help on how to make this page suitable to say would be appreciated. If this is not the right place to write this please message me and let me know how to message. Tourist2088 (talk) 16:24, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
 * , please see WP:NOTRADIOGUIDE (point 4) and WP:INTERESTING. If you can't find an independent reliable source that states every song played on the radio station so that other editors can verify that what you say is true, then it shouldn't be included on Wikipedia. Richard3120 (talk) 18:04, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Thank you Richard3120. I get my info from listening constantly, watching the recently played on their website as well as this site here, http://onlineradiobox.com/us/kazr/playlist/?cs=us.kazr, but that is only foe the last 7 days. I put that in a google spreadsheet. Is that reliable enough? Not sure how to link sources. I'll give it a try. Tourist2088 (talk) 18:14, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
 * No it isn't, unfortunately, because we have no way of verifying the contents of your spreadsheet – please don't misunderstand me, I'm sure you're not making anything up, but ultimately your word is all we have to go on. And the list is never going to be complete, unless you have been listening from the very first day the station started broadcasting. Richard3120 (talk) 18:23, 4 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete This isn't the purpose of Wikipedia at all and can never be complete by any means. And if you lose interest in this, we have a lot of useless information nobody knows what to do with. This is a rock station playing songs associated with the format with artists known in the format. An average reader can easily decode this station is a 'no-play zone' for Maroon 5, Britney Spears, Bach or Carrie Underwood without an Excel spreadsheet confirming it.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 19:23, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

I thought it would be useful. That's why I made it. When I visited the page it had very little info I cared to read about. It is just a list of what they have played. Not what they are going to play. But they way they are, it probably is going to to be what play. They drove me crazy with their slogan "Everything That Rocks" then constantly seemed to play the same songs over and over. I just wanted to see in writing what "rocks". I figured the more info the better. Richard3120 I understand what you mean. But still, now I am just a sad tourist again. Tourist2088 (talk) 22:00, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

I just saw that Mrschimpf has removed all the info I found interesting from the KAZR. Showing me that I have wasted a lot of time contributing. I thought it was nice to have some new info every month to look forward to. When I saw it was gone, that all sadness of my recent depression came back. I didn't see myself losing interest in this anytime, but even if I did. It still would have been nice to see some of what happened. I don't know if anyone else saw that info as useful or interesting. But I did and it brought me a little joy. Sadly made me feel like I had a purpose. And to see months of work taken away in a second has been devastating. Sorry I wasted everyone's times. But most of all I'm sorry I wasted mine. I'll stop. If this page is still around in a few days I'll start working on it again. But I have lost interest for now. Thank you. Sorry. Tourist2088 (talk) 23:05, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

And for the record. This was for people looking to hear rock music from bands like Trivium, Anthrax, Strapping Young Lad, Rancid, and other hard rock/punk artists, that won't be found here. Not the pop artists mentioned above. I thought that was obvious. I really like the sort-able columns Wikipedia offers. That was helpful to me. In seeing what this station plays. Tourist2088 (talk) 01:34, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Those aren't bands you'd be particularly likely to hear on any commercial "mainstream rock" station anywhere — it's not a question of KAZR being somehow uniquely recalcitrant about what it plays, because radio formats are tightly managed across the board. There's a "core" list of artists deemed acceptable by professional radio consultants for airplay on each conventional radio format, and no commercial radio station anywhere in the entire United States diverges from its format's core list very much at all. Generally, you would need to look to non-commercial radio stations, such as college radio or "listener-supported" public stations, to hear artists that haven't been deemed to fit a standardized commercial radio format. Yes, it sucks — but you need to blame the general nationwide phenomenon of radio homogenization, not KAZR itself. Bearcat (talk) 22:34, 5 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Speedy Delete: Per WP:NOT and per Richard3120 and Nate. -  Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 02:55 on January 5, 2018 (UTC)

How long is this going to take to be deleted? Can it just be erased now along with everything I have contributed. I don't know how many more times I can take being told i am wrong. I have been feeling better recently. Took some time off from work to relax. Do this, now have all this happen. I feel like I will be lucky if I make it to tomorrow. But if I still feel this way then. What the point? Please just delete it so I don't have to think about it anymore. Please Tourist2088 (talk) 08:35, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
 * AFD discussions normally stay open for a minimum of seven days except in exceptional circumstances. Richard's right, you need to not take it so personally. Bearcat (talk) 22:22, 5 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete - WP:NOTRADIOGUIDE as stated by Richard3120.  WikiVirus  C (talk) 16:32, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
 * , please don't take this personally, nobody's having a go at you, it's just that verifiability is one of Wikipedia's core tenets. You can carry on your spreadsheet at home, and Excel also has a sortable column function, if that helps you out. By all means feel free to contribute to the Wikipedia articles about the bands you like, if you can provide information from reliable sources such as newspapers, music magazines (both print and online) – just not from social media or blogs.
 * The administrator will make a decision on the article when enough comments have been made, and there appears to be a clear consensus. Richard3120 (talk) 20:14, 5 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:NOTRADIOGUIDE. This kind of thing is definitely not what Wikipedia is for. Bearcat (talk) 22:22, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

I was confused on what an Active Rock station is. I assumed they play mostly "Active" bands. But this station plays a lot for Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin. That is probably why they report as both Active and Mainstream. But still they claim to play "Everything" that rocks and I just wanted to provide a list of what they have played that "Rocks" since I could not find one. So I went out to get this info on my own. I used to see may "Lists" on wikipedia, but, looking for them now, they must have been deleted as I have not been able to find many i have seen in the past. Would it be okay if i had this list on my userpage? So I can use the template thing it has also have links to all the songs, artists, and albums? That is really cool info to have in one spot. If its not allowed in general can I have it on my userpage? I was reading the guidlines and it seemed like it would be frowned upon and possible deleted. As some of you may have guessed reading and fully understanding is not a strength of mine. I am a little unstable, very sensitive and take things personally easily. I understand no one was "going at me" but that is just the way it seemed. Would it really hurt anything if i had this on my user page as a work in progress that will never be finished? Tourist2088 (talk) 06:05, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Looking at this policy, the answer would almost certainly be a no on that request, I'm afraid, specifically because the data wouldn't be intended to be included in an article (since the article itself looks bound for deletion). That said, and this goes back to the comments I made on your Talk page a couple of days ago, there may be other sites out there that run the same software where you could either store the information in this format or even use it in another regard. I haven't the faintest idea which sites or even whether they exist, I hasten to add, but Wikipedia is far from the only wiki out there online. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 11:17, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Unfortunately that is what I took from that policy as well. Reading all of these "Wikipedia is not..." drives me to see that Wikipedia is not as great as I thought. If it was on my userspace i could possibly work it into something that is acceptable someday. But I would try to get to work one day. Tourist2088 (talk) 02:22, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
 * There's a little bit of scope if you were actively working on it being something acceptable someday, in that you can create a draft. Drafts tend only to get listed for deletion if they've not been worked on in 6 months or so. The issue, though, would still be whether creating a draft of a list which isn't encyclopedic (while "Wikipedia is not" plenty of things, it's first and foremost an encyclopedia, and that's the starting point for working out what it isn't, if that makes sense) would be a smart move. Given that it's highly unlikely for policies to change sufficiently to allow this to be a viable inclusion, it may be taken as "thumbing your nose" at consensus. What would be wrong with simply keeping the work on your hard drive and updating it there, pending the appearance of another suitable home for it? BigHaz - Schreit mich an 00:24, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Nothing wrong with keeping it on my hard drive. I am still working on this in the spreadsheet. But, its a boring looking spreadsheet. Like I have said I just really like the presentation on Wikipedia, with links to the song, artist, album articles. If i made a draft I would definitely work on it at least once a month to update it. I would make attempt to make it into a real article. Also, not that i care too much about radio stations. But since i listen to this station and say they play everything that rocks. I would just like to see a list of what "Rocks". I understand a list certainly does not deserve its own article it would be nice if on the KAZR page it had the list of songs played in a "click on to Show" template, like some albums that have bonus tracks. It would be like an appendix of sorts. I don't vist many websites so I really am not looking for another place to put this info. I did kind of start a Facebook page, but the info had a boring presentation. Tourist2088 (talk) 02:03, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
 * So if it's the aesthetics of the spreadsheet versus Wikipedia, there are bound to be other sites out there which will enable you to display this information however you want to. I appreciate that you don't particularly want to display it anywhere other than Wikipedia, but the fact remains that it really isn't "Wikipedia-ish", or encyclopedic if you prefer. The fact that you'd be working on the draft is all well and good, but the other issue with drafts is that they have to stand some kind of a chance of turning into articles, and as per the comments above, this one really doesn't, since there's no way of verifying the research (essentially what you've been doing, which can be an issue) you've done on the matter. So even if you worked on it for hours every day, that's highly unlikely to change. As far as your goal of "finding out what rocks" in line with the station's slogan, there are probably a couple of points to make there as well. The first is that there are articles on both active rock and mainstream rock, which the article on the station suggests are the kinds of music it plays. The first of those gives a reasonable list of bands such stations would play (the second doesn't, for some reason), so there's at least part of the answer already. Those articles won't give 100% of the playlist of every conceivable radio station playing a given format, but neither should they, since it wouldn't be encyclopedic. The second point is that, as far as I'm following you, you can find out what the station considers to be "everything that rocks" by listening to it as you do. Looking at the data you've already assembled, you've got a more than reasonable list of what the station thinks "rocks", so if the list was (at least originally) an attempt at answering the question of "What do they mean by their slogan?", I'd say you know by now. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 02:35, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

I read those two articles and the active rock article helps a little but also goes against what the station plays. Sometimes what they say rocks surprises me. Which is why I started the list. Too bad their isn't a companion site called Wikilists. A place where all the lists that get deleted could go. I guess the mainstream article doesn't give examples because there are too many. The problem with listening to this station find out what rocks is difficult because it always seems to be the same songs most over 20 years old. Tourist2088 (talk) 05:09, 11 January 2018 (UTC)


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