Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of songs recorded by Anuradha Bhat


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Anuradha Bhat. Discarding all, but one, "keep" votes that state WP:INHERIT. (non-admin closure) ASTIG️🙃  (ICE-T • ICE CUBE) 23:20, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

List of songs recorded by Anuradha Bhat

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Article is completely unreferenced and extraneous considering most movies the songs are from seem to be non-notable FishandChipper 🐟🍟 22:50, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Albums and songs, Music, Lists,  and India. — hueman1 ( talk  •  contributions ) 12:11, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge to Anuradha Bhat as WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Not all songs there are singles. SBKSPP (talk) 00:42, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Merging seems to be a better option per below. SBKSPP (talk) 05:13, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Unnecessary database of songs. Azuredivay (talk) 06:37, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - I don't think a redirect is necessary because the search term is unlikely. Either way, it does not qualify as an article per WP:INDISCRIMINATE and WP:NOTDIRECTORY. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 00:59, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: How is this list different from any of the lists of songs by recording artists (some of which are FLs like Meghan Trainor and Dua Lipa)? This seems like a standard and accepted type of list so I do not get why this was in not appropriate for Wikipedia when compared to other ones. Aoba47 (talk) 22:50, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * It's different as this article is completly unreferenced as well as Anuradha Bhat being much less notable than Meghan Trainor and Dua Lipa. Remember Wikipedia works on a system of notoriety, and isnt just a directory for anything you can think of. FishandChipper 🐟🍟 06:21, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
 * The fact that this list does not have citations is not a valid reason for deletion. An AFD should not be used for cleanup. If Anuradha Bhat is notable enough to have her own article, then I do not see a clear reason for why she should not have this type of list. How is Bhan less notable than Trainor? They both seemingly meet WP:N (and I saw seemingly as I do not know anything about Bhan) so they are both notable in the context of Wikipedia. I am just not seeing a convincing argument here. Aoba47 (talk) 18:38, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep: I do not see a compelling argument to delete this list. This thread has several arguments that do not really make sense in my opinion, and as I have already said above, this type of list exists for a number of singers so there is a precedent on Wikipedia for this. And to respond to a point below, not every item or even a majority of the items on this list have to be notable enough to have their own articles. Again, I just do not see a strong argument here for deletion. Aoba47 (talk) 19:44, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep: We need voters to have competence. I don't think the nominator and other voters so far have gone through Kannada language references. Even if they could have tried English references, they would have known that many of these songs have been nominated for awards and also won some. As Aoba47 says, cleanup should not be used tool for deletion of articles. All delete voters could simply add one reference each and the article would be better-looking.
 * Side note: Why are so many articles of Indian singer's lists getting AFDed? Fortunately all are getting kept at the end.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:25, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
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 * Articles for deletion/List of songs recorded by Udit Narayan §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 05:46, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Someone who reaches a conclusion different than yours is not incompetent. The awards won by Anuradha Bhat are already listed at her article, with sources and the titles of the particular songs that were named in the awards. That does not mean that we need a list of every other song she has ever recorded. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 14:41, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * I meant you are incompetent because you cant read Kannada or other Indian languages which may cover her songs. Also, am sure, you do not understand what playback singing is since Western world usually has performance singing. Many western editors are hence unable to comprehend how Western singers can only have countable songs in their lifetime whereas Indian singers churn out songs in hundreds and thousands. That competence and knowledge of the subjects is needed when editors come for commenting. For a singer with thousands of songs and numerous awards, the whole work they have done is notable as a collection. (I am not saying that individual work is notable). And hence a list of all those songs is notable. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 08:28, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Then it seems their job is comparable more to a soundtrack artist rather than a singer no? You don't see lists of the thousands of songs say Hans Zimmer has written do you? Also just because a person is notable doesn't make their work notable. Notoriety isn't inherited, its earned.
 * P.S. Cool it with calling other people incompetent for not understanding something, that constitutes WP:PA. FishandChipper 🐟🍟 08:36, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I think you are unfamiliar with Indian film and music industry and its terminologies. Bhat is a playback singer (a sub-category of singers) and not a soundtrack artist (a sub-category of music composers). Bhat should be compared (if at all comparison is needed) with singer who vocalize lyrics written by lyricist on the tune that is composed by music composer/director. Zimmer could be compared with A. R. Rahman who composes (not writes) film scores and songs.
 * PS: You shouldn't be offended if you do not have knowledge of a particular topic. But its best to not opine on such topics when you don't even know what playback singers are and what they do! §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 09:03, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I know what playback singers and soundtrack artists are, but you're not getting my point. This list shouldn't exist as it is simply a directory of hundreds of non-notable songs, the exact opposite of what Wikipedia is. If it were a list of say Award-Winning songs then it would be fine but a list of songs from movies which themselves aren't even notable is nonsense. Perhaps a list more akin to Hans Zimmer discography would make more sense, listing all the movies they've preformed for, and not just the songs.
 * P.S. Don't tell people what they can and cannot be offended by. You're making direct attacks on my intelligence and I am perfectly within my rights to be offended. FishandChipper 🐟🍟 10:19, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, i have noted that you are offended. But as you are still comparing list of singer's songs with list of films whose music is composed by a composer, i have also noted that you don't still get it! Also, when you say that a list of movies in which Bhat has performed is making sense to you; i am assuming that you are under impression that all lists should be blue-linked. (It also comes from the lack of knowledge that film's songs are not just sun by one singer.) That's plain wrong! The individual items in the list do not need to be independently notable. Anyways, let's allow other editors to opine. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 10:46, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Relisting in light of article improvements. It is "unreferenced" no longer. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 23:16, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete I agree this database is entirely unwarranted as an article. Agletarang (talk) 18:25, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete I don't see enough notable items to warrant a list. Lorstaking (talk) 12:28, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Strongly Keep - a leading singer in Kannada films. Her songography is more significant than many western singers. Abbasulu (talk) 10:30, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Notable person doesn't mean notable work. Notoriety isn't inherited, its earned. FishandChipper 🐟🍟 15:26, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Checked most of the references and most of them are either broken or don't mention Anuradha Bhat or the song in question. Seemingly just placed to avoid lack of references claim. Also 4 out of a few hundred necessary references isn't exact referenced. FishandChipper 🐟🍟 08:56, 28 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Merge to Anuradha Bhat Most reasonable thing to do. Since works aren't usually notable and not inherited from it's maker. Pl or ek y Have a problem? 02:58, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I think it would only be necesarry to merge the notable songs (I.e nominated or won an award). The rest of the songs are just there for the sake of being there. FishandChipper 🐟🍟 11:06, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete: Per Notability and INDISCRIMINATE. Fails WP:LISTCRITERIA and WP:CSC. WP:LISTVERIFY: Stand-alone lists are subject to Wikipedia's content policies and guidelines for articles, including verifiability and citing sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Otr500 (talk • contribs) 22:12, October 29, 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete: Falls far outside the criteria laid out regarding notability for a standalone list Dexxtrall (talk) 09:27, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per Otr500 (and several other people who I'm sure have said the same amongst this wall of text). QuietHere (talk) 07:01, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep The article needs citations, but WP:DINC. This is a notable artist and having a list of their works is standard practice. Bondegezou (talk) 13:45, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Notable person doesn't mean notable work. Notoriety isn't inherited, its earned. Generally the reason artists have a list of works is because their works are also shown to be notable, these aren't. FishandChipper 🐟🍟 15:15, 3 November 2022 (UTC)


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