Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of songs recorded by Marilyn Manson (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Randykitty (talk) 14:14, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

List of songs recorded by Marilyn Manson
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Cites zero sources, no appearance of independent notability. QuietHere (talk) 13:27, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. QuietHere (talk) 13:27, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 13:41, 7 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Leaning keep. Many "List of songs recorded by X artist" are or have been Featured Lists (List of songs recorded by Ariana Grande, List of songs recorded by Rihanna, List of songs recorded by Coldplay, List of songs recorded by Adele, List of songs recorded by Madonna, List of songs recorded by Paul McCartney, plenty of others...). Marilyn Manson is "widely regarded as being one of the most iconic and controversial figures in rock music".
 * Per WP:NLIST: "One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources, per the above guidelines; notable list topics are appropriate for a stand-alone list. The entirety of the list does not need to be documented in sources for notability, only that the grouping or set in general has been."
 * There's no question it needs sourcing work though, it is unacceptable that a list of the size has remained unreferenced for so long. Mooonswimmer 16:24, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
 * If someone were to locate and add said sources then I'd be willing to withdraw this but so long as the page remains unsourced my argument still stands. QuietHere (talk) 01:47, 8 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep - per Moonswimmer and here is at least one source. Rlendog (talk) 14:31, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
 * That's not a source, that's just a list of songs without any context. We have WP:NOTDIRECTORY for a reason. QuietHere (talk) 15:31, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
 * It's a reliable source. NOTDIRECTORY addresses Wikipedia articles, not sources. Rlendog (talk) 18:22, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
 * But the only thing that source would be good for is confirming the list of songs we already have here, which would still leave us with a list of songs recreated from there. We'd be recreating their directory and that's the violation. The sourcing needs to support notability, not just the existence of the songs. QuietHere (talk) 05:11, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, that source confirms the list of songs recorded by this artist. And it is pretty well established that lists of songs recorded by an artist are acceptable under Wikipedia guidelines and do not violate NOTDIRECTORY.Rlendog (talk) 16:58, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
 * And that is just one easy to find source. A Google search of "marilyn manson songs" quickly brings up song lists such as this and this and this and this. Rlendog (talk) 17:20, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
 * The Far Out page isn't about Manson's music and the uDiscover Music article runs into the same CoI issue as most if not all of their reporting given the publication is owned by Universal Music Group. The other two may be worth something somewhere but I'm not certain it's the right type of coverage for this type of page. QuietHere (talk) 17:30, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep I see no good argument for deletion here, clearly there are tons of sources that cover Manson's whole song recording history.★Trekker (talk) 18:28, 11 February 2023 (UTC)


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