Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of songs recorded by the Notorious B.I.G. (2nd nomination)


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The result was keep. Randykitty (talk) 14:13, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

List of songs recorded by the Notorious B.I.G.
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Cites zero sources, no appearance of independent notability. QuietHere (talk) 13:27, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. QuietHere (talk) 13:27, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 13:40, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Redirect to The Notorious B.I.G. discography where this kind of stuff belongs. Binksternet (talk) 14:53, 7 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep. Many "List of songs recorded by X artist" are or have been Featured Lists (List of songs recorded by Ariana Grande, List of songs recorded by Rihanna, List of songs recorded by Coldplay, List of songs recorded by Adele, List of songs recorded by Madonna, List of songs recorded by Paul McCartney, plenty of others...). Biggie is one of the best-selling rappers in history, and is described as the greatest rapper in history by the likes of Billboard and Rolling Stone.
 * Per WP:NLIST: "One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources, per the above guidelines; notable list topics are appropriate for a stand-alone list. The entirety of the list does not need to be documented in sources for notability, only that the grouping or set in general has been."
 * There's no question it needs sourcing work though, it is unacceptable that a list of the size has remained unreferenced for so long. Mooonswimmer 16:26, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
 * If someone were to locate and add said sources then I'd be willing to withdraw this but so long as the page remains unsourced my argument still stands. QuietHere (talk) 01:47, 8 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep per Moonswimmer. This does not belong in the discography because not all of these were released as singles. Here is at least one source but AfD is not for cleanup. Rlendog (talk) 14:33, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
 * That's not a source, that's just a list of songs without any context. We have WP:NOTDIRECTORY for a reason. QuietHere (talk) 15:31, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
 * It's a reliable source. NOTDIRECTORY addresses Wikipedia articles, not sources. Rlendog (talk) 18:23, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
 * But the only thing that source would be good for is confirming the list of songs we already have here, which would still leave us with a list of songs recreated from there. We'd be recreating their directory and that's the violation. The sourcing needs to support notability, not just the existence of the songs. QuietHere (talk) 05:12, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, that source confirms the list of songs recorded by this artist. And it is pretty well established that lists of songs recorded by an artist are acceptable under Wikipedia guidelines and do not violate NOTDIRECTORY.Rlendog (talk) 16:57, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
 * And the example I gave was only one example that was easy to find. There is also this and this and this, which discuss a chunk of his songs that comes up on the first page of a Google search of "notorious big songs".  And with all the books about him here is just the first page of a Google search are you seriously suggesting that there are no sources covering his songs? Rlendog (talk) 17:10, 9 February 2023 (UTC)


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