Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of songs that begin with non-music

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The result of the debate was delete. &mdash; Trilobite (Talk) 03:06, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

List of songs that begin with non-music
Same reasons as all the other lists I've nominated, but this one is even worse in that it makes arbitrary exceptions and makes up an arbitrary definition for "music." A lot of music I listen to would be considered entirely "non-musical" by the author's definition. --Tothebarricades July 9, 2005 09:06 (UTC)

Delete. Never going to be NPOV, non-encylopedic. -- Natalinasmpf 9 July 2005 10:26 (UTC)
 * Delete. Infinite POV issues. --TheMidnighters 9 July 2005 11:26 (UTC)
 * Delete &mdash; the definition given at the top of the list is inherently POV, and it is unencyc too. -Splash 9 July 2005 14:22 (UTC)
 * Rename as "List of songs that begin with sound effects" as someone suggested on the Talk Page. That's much clearer. Daniel Case 9 July 2005 14:52 (UTC)
 * Delete all "List of songs containing that begin with X". -- Cyrius|&#9998; 9 July 2005 17:38 (UTC)
 * Delete, unmaintainable. Dcarrano July 9, 2005 17:53 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not encyclopedic. A &#1080; D &#1103; 01D  TALK  EMAIL  July 9, 2005 18:48 (UTC)
 * Delete, unmaintainable, unencyclopedic, POV. --Idont Havaname 20:20, 9 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep if renamed per Daniel Case. --Mothperson 20:27, 9 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete unencyclopedic, unmaintainable, arbitrary, subjective... Again, I think a reasonable argument could be made that every song begins with some kind of "sound effect". Xoloz 06:43, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 * While I don't disagree with the quibbling here over the original list creator's definition of "non-music," I do think that one can distinguish that from actual music. We could have something like "list of songs that begin with speech" to accomodate the one gray area. I think if you say "sound effects," most people know what you mean; otherwise that text would be red instead of blue.Daniel Case 19:13, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete arbitrary, subjective and simply uninteresting. carmeld1 06:53, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete unencyclopedic unmaintainable list. JamesBurns 07:18, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - unmaintainable, essentially POV. And if you want to begin an argument of what kind of chords are music or not, prepare for a humongous edit war (though not from me). Rap is superficially speaking against the background of music. There is singing outside the pop and rock. Not to mention the fact that there is modern music that is far from melodic, composed of everyday objects banking each other (ie. sound effects), composed of words from nonexistent languages or are complete silence - Skysmith 12:22, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * If this is somehow unencyclopedic, then what about List of songs featuring slap-bass? Or List of songs with scat-singing? Shouldn't we be putting them up for deletion too? Badly written definition or not, I think most people understand, especially after reading the song list, what this list is about, and indeed it has continued to be added to despite the VfD notice.Daniel Case 06:08, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * As I understand, the first would be something made with a musical instrument and the second should be List of scat songs or equivalent. And VFD notice does not stop editing. What I was trying to say that any part of music is music, regardless of its form, and categorizing "songs with non-music" is superfluous. Article about, say, music that includes certain kind of effect (say, reverb), included in the article about that effect (not as a separate list) would be better option - Skysmith 09:20, 12 July 2005 (UTC)


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