Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of songs that have been considered among the greatest ever (second nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete. --Core desat  20:41, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

List of songs that have been considered among the greatest ever

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The page title is vague ("have been considered", "among the greatest") and seems to really be about people nominating their favourite songs Duggy 1138 01:41, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Free Bird!!!!! uh, I mean Delete. One of these songs is based on the fact that it appeared in someone's top 500 list? You could find thousands of songs that meet the (dubious) criteria here, and the selection from there is just irreparably POV. Fan-1967 01:44, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete as unmaintainable and as an indiscriminate collection of information. meshach 02:05, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict)Delete and give Fan-1967 a cookie for hilarity - Che Nuevara  02:06, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, my personal favorite's always been Suffragette City, which isn't even on the list. Fan-1967 02:11, 11 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete my personal favorites tend to not be in English :( Danny Lilithborne 02:39, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. MER-C 03:13, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:OR. —ShadowHalo 04:30, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete I almost voted keep, but List of songs in English labeled the best ever is better sourced and deals with English-language bias.--T. Anthony 04:37, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete As much as I agree with most of the selected songs, this list is POV by nature. --Sable232 04:42, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge with List of songs in English labeled the best ever
 * I'm not sure why. Almost everything that is wrong with this page is right with the one you suggest.  It has a specific, limited scope (songs labelled best ever by a critic or poll).  Merging the two will only make it as bad as this one and cause that one to need deleting. Duggy 1138 07:59, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per Sable232 StayinAnon 07:49, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete and the artilce looks a little untidy/unconentional. The JPS talk to me  08:44, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete as the ultimate POV page (and because my favourite -"Fish heads, fish heads", isn't on the list :(  SkierRMH, 09:13, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Redirect to List of songs in English labeled the best ever.  Grue   09:42, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete Bec-Thorn-Berry 11:28, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Redirect per Grue. Owen&times; &#9742;  12:13, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Redirect per Grue, that list is better sourced and can handle the English-language bias. In the alternative, delete. Also, I'm upset American Pie isn't on this list.-- danntm T C 15:05, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete There are forty-two songs on this list, thirty-six of which appear in The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's 500 Songs that Shaped Rock and Roll, fifteen of which are justified for inclusion on this list solely by their appearance on that Hall of Fame list. It's POV to exclude the other 464. Also, "songs that shaped rock and roll" does not equal "songs that have been considered among the greatest ever." ForDorothy 15:31, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete and redirect to List of songs in English labeled the best ever (the better list). --- RockMFR 15:58, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge into List of songs in English labeled the best ever. The topic is certainly encyclopedic (compare our similar lists for films), and bias toward rock songs is not a reason for deletion.  AfD isn't Cleanup or WP:RFC. --Idont Havaname (Talk) 16:03, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, the "people listing their favorite songs here" bias can be remedied by simply requiring that all entries on the list have sources saying that, and/or why, critics/magazines/etc. have named them the best songs. This can apply to other "best/worst ever" lists as well. --Idont Havaname (Talk) 16:05, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree that merging is not a good idea here, a redirect is all this needs --Dmz5 20:49, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment In response to Idont Havaname, I highly doubt that a remedy, should one exist, would not be as simple as you suggest. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of 'best song' lists out there published by various magazines and well-established music critics and all people will have to do is find which ones include their favorites and then use them to source and validate their claims.  It is conceivably possible that songs could require a large number of prominent sources, say 8 or 9, to show their universal appeal but I doubt that would ever come to pass. --The Way 05:18, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

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 * Delete, unavoidably POV. Stifle (talk) 21:00, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment &mdash; This article is getting delete votes and yet we're keeping List of Power Rangers monsters? I shudder to think. :-) The page needs a cleanup and better selection criteria. &mdash; RJH (talk) 21:04, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment &mdash; So what you're suggesting is something like List of songs in English labeled the best ever. Duggy 1138 03:43, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge, but I really mean merge, because this list contains some songs that must be on such a list and which are inexplicably missing from List of songs in English labeled the best ever, unless I missed them somehow. These would include "Hey Jude" and "My Generation".  I do understand the POV issues, but there has to be a reliable way of establishing that these songs (and others) hold a special place in contemporary musical history.  6SJ7 21:17, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment &mdash; I can't see how you can Merge List of songs that have been considered among the greatest ever with List of songs in English labeled the best ever without making List of songs in English labeled the best ever into List of songs that have been considered among the greatest ever which is the article with the real problem. Criteria will always be a problem with lists like this and there will always be notable exceptions and songs that don't really seem to fit. Duggy 1138 09:43, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete unless changed to "best selling" or some other measurable and verifiable objective measure.
 * Delete. Vague, arbitrary inclusion criteria. Unmanageable. Unencyclopedic. Nick Graves 22:32, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete: To be fair, most entries do include a decent assertion of the song's greatness. But there are simply too many different rankings, awards etc. out there to make a list that is neutral enough and short enough for this encyclopedia. Heimstern Läufer 23:40, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete more POV songlistcruft. Why didn't we get this last time? -Royalguard11 (Talk·Desk·Review Me!) 00:58, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Ckessler 05:20, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete Hasn't this been deleted before? This is inherently POV and, quite probably, also inherently OR.  What criteria are used to determine what songs make the list?  Every music magazine and critic publishes lists along these lines and they are all different.  It is absolutely unmaintainable and will essentially end up as an article that is a constant battleground between editors trying to justify the inclusion of their favorite songs.  --The Way 05:14, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Redirect to the better list (List of songs in English labeled the best ever), which this list is inferior to. --Martin 10:20, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete The doesn't provide useful information. Davidpdx 09:05, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.