Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of songs used in The Sopranos end credits


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Keep. Cbrown1023 talk 01:02, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

List of songs used in The Sopranos end credits

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per WP:NOT, this has no useful information Mr.Z-man  talk ¢ 21:17, 20 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Weak Delete per WP:LISTCRUFT. Article provides no contextual information as to why this list is encyclopedic. Also not complete, and since it has no references, it is not easily verifiable and may almost be considered WP:OR I think. Danski14 21:32, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment I was intending to complete the list shortly, and perhaps write a paragraph or two about the important use of popular music on The Sopranos and how each episode is noted for featuring a unique piece of music at the end. I realize that referencing this is difficult, and that me watching all the episodes and figuring out what the song is isn't sufficient. Still, part of the reason I created the list was that I had never seen any comprehensive list of all the end credits themes. Anyway, I'm not really familiar enough with the deletion process to know whether the list should stay or not; I just thought I'd comment to try addressing some of Danski14's remarks. Thebogusman 21:54, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 * The list is basically finished now, and I added some references that show the importance of music on the show, as well as one to the official HBO website that lists some of the music on the show. Thebogusman 23:46, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep, the choice of music for the The Sopranos is notable, as mentioned by several notable and respected newspapers/websites. The references for that are provided in the article in question. Good job, Thebogusman. --Gi m lei (talk to me) 00:19, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep. The article was nominated for deletion 8 minutes after it was created.  Thebogusman has continued to improve the article (including adding numerous sources).  Keep and expand.  -- Black Falcon 00:27, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Now that the article is completed according to the creator, the length of time between creation and nomination is no longer relevant. Otto4711 03:27, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I didn't mean to suggest that there was nothing to add to the article, merely that all the episodes had been accounted for. I'm sure further citation as to the relevance of the topic can be provided. When the AfD was made, I had only formatted the table and inserted those songs that I knew from memory. Thebogusman 03:54, 21 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete - While it is true that the music of the Sopranos has been written about, none of the articles' sources mention the end credits musical selection. Two of the sources pick the "top ten musical moments," none of which are from the end credits, and the third is a gripe about the song selection on the soundtrack album with, again, no mention of the end credits. Thus no sources are offered for which the end credits music is the subject. The article does not explain why the music of the end credits specifically has any significance either within the fiction or in the real world. Otto4711 03:26, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Although you're correct that none of the articles focus specifically on the ending music, at least half of the songs cited in both the Star-Ledger and MSNBC were played over the end credits. Also, the Salon article mentions several ending songs. Really, the majority of pop music on the show that's of thematic significance is played at the end credits, though there are plenty of clear exceptions. I do need to find a citation that notes this. I guess the reason I made the article was that the ending music is something of a constant on the show; the viewer comes to expect a song as the screen fades to black. Attempting to catalog every song that's played on the show seems much less feasible, and also less useful, I think. Thebogusman 03:54, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Another note: the MSNBC article contains the quote, "The producers of this show have, among many other achievements of course, turned the playing of killer tunes over end credits into an art form." Thebogusman 04:02, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
 * All of which constitute trivial mentions of the subject. Notability reauires that the subject be the primary topic of multiple independent third-party sources. Otto4711 12:36, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Here is another source (Washington post, mind you), which in its last paragraph, though again indirectly, addresses the notability of end credits music. --Gi m lei (talk to me) 12:56, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:NOTE: "A topic is notable if it has been the subject of published works from sources that are reliable and independent of the subject and of each other." Passing mentions of a topic do not establish notability. Indirect mentions do not establish notability. Otto4711 14:32, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I have read WP:NOTE a lot of times, thank you very much. Now I don't think you're ever going to agree with me, but maybe you can at least see my reasoning. I think we've established that music in the Sopranos on the whole is notable - it is indeed been the subject of works in several independent reliable sources. Would we want a list with all songs that are played during the show? No, I don't think so. (correct me if I am wrong here). Hence, let's take the most notable part of it. What is it? Well, the same sources assert that it is probably the music played over the ending credits of each episode. Henceforth, I do believe that the subject for the article is notable enough such that it merits existence. Hope you can see my line of reasoning. I'd love to get more third party input into this discussion though, that would make things more clear. --Gi m lei (talk to me) 18:36, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I think that this EW article constitutes more than a trivial mention. Though the article is actually a review of a Sopranos Soundtrack album, it devotes its first of six paragraphs to highlighting the effectiveness of the show's closing music, and spends much of the rest of it referring to songs that end the show. I don't know if that's sufficient or not. Thebogusman 18:22, 21 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment: Perhaps just a Music used in The Sopranos would be the best solution. Copy the end credit info, and add more info about the rest of the music. This would be more in line with what the sources are commenting on. Mr.Z-man  talk ¢ 22:06, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I think that's a good idea. I had considered it, but was unsure how to include stuff about other songs while keeping NPOV. Actually I noticed there's already an article titled List of songs played at the Bada Bing club that probably has less justification for existence than this one, since it provides minimal citation and justification. Perhaps these could all be merged into one article, where distinctions are drawn between what gets played at the Bada Bing, what Tony listens to in the car, what the kids listen to in their rooms, etc. as well as the significant thematic importance of other, non-incidental music, particularly those songs used in the closing credits. The only problem would be finding outside citations that support all this. Thebogusman 22:14, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Perhaps a rewording of the title, something suggesting only significant or important music is in the article. Sorry I marked it for AfD so early, I saw the 8 minute time lapse and thought it was one of many abandoned personal projects I have seen. I guess I get a little disillusioned sometimes during Newpage patrol. Mr.Z-man  talk ¢ 22:46, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Any suggestions for a title? I'm not great at coming up with those kinds of things. I think that Music used on The Sopranos or something like that sounds pretty suitable. Thebogusman 23:26, 21 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep - notable television series, new article, plenty of potential and remember WP:NOT. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 13:02, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * You know, with all due respect, WP:NOT is not the blanket justification you seem to think it is. And frankly, your popping in to various AFDs to "remind" people of it, as if we don't know, comes off as vaguely insulting. Otto4711 18:43, 22 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep - well references article that meets WP:LIST, specifically informative and navigation. - Peregrine Fisher 17:15, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Rename and expand per the above Music used on The Sopranos. Can easily include verifiable critical commentary on the music used on this show. Author shows significant interest in the subject, let him do his thing. We can always delete it later. --TheDJ (talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 22:21, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep and rename to List of songs used in The Sopranos. --Maitch 20:37, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep. Notable topic and informative list. --Aude (talk) 22:33, 23 February 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.