Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of spouses of presidents of Croatia


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The result was delete. – bradv 🍁  23:35, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

List of spouses of presidents of Croatia

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This is not a thing; this topic receives virtually no coverage, let alone "significant coverage in reliable sources". Hardly any citizen of Croatia could name the spouse of their president. The article fails WP:GNG. Surtsicna (talk) 12:00, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Surtsicna (talk) 12:00, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Croatia-related deletion discussions. Surtsicna (talk) 12:00, 14 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment. I agree that this is not really a thing, but I'm surprised at the claim that "Hardly any citizen of Croatia could name the spouse of their president." Unfortunately I don't know any Croatians I can ask, but most citizens of France know that the President's wife is Brigitte Macron; most citizens of the USA know that the President's wife is Jill Biden; most citizens of the UK know that the Prime Minister's wife is Carrie Symonds. Is it really so different in Croatia?  Athel cb (talk) 14:24, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Jill Biden, Birgitte Macron and Carrie Symonds are regularly covered in mainstream media. The spouse of the president of Croatia has no societal role. They do their own thing. I have, of course, not conducted a survey, but anecdotal evidence from everyday life and the fact that any mention of the spouses in the media requires an explanatory apposition suggest to me that the vast majority could not name them and would not recognize them by their name alone. But what matters to this discussion is the lack of published sources exploring the marital ties of the Croatian presidents. Surtsicna (talk) 00:16, 15 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Question Would it be accurate to say that this is WP:NOTATHING (one day we'll have to turn that redlink blue...), and that the arguments presented at Articles for deletion/Spouse of the Prime Minister of Singapore (which resulted in deletion) apply here as well? TompaDompa (talk) 14:45, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, it appears so, since neither position entails any role in society and neither is discussed as such in reliable sources. Surtsicna (talk) 00:16, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 08:26, 15 August 2021 (UTC)


 * It's a relatively minor social distinction, but that does not mean it doesn't get regular coverage in the mainstream press. I agree with removing the whole lineage stuff from the infoboxes, but anyone who follows politics in Croatia has heard of a lot of these people. I'd actually argue that having this list might alleviate the need for individual articles for some of the lesser known ones. --Joy &#91;shallot&#93; (talk) 10:50, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hearing of them is one thing, but being able to recognize them or name them is another. What matters is that there is, to my knowledge, no in-depth coverage of the position of the spouse. My concern is that the existence of the list rests on the presumption that the position is notable in itself, which would make editors further assume that those who are married to the presidents are inherently notable. Surtsicna (talk) 12:22, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Honestly, that first statement is just not right, because a huge number of people could easily name Ankica Tuđman, Mirjana Sanader, probably others - whoever had a fair bit of mainstream press coverage. The list is fundamentally political trivia, but that doesn't mean the concept doesn't exist or is entirely not worth describing. Like I said earlier, if we remove the list, then we have nowhere to merge/redirect less notable entries later; watching one list seems preferable to having to watch N stubs. --Joy &#91;shallot&#93; (talk) 02:35, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  13:44, 21 August 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  13:55, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep As you can see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Spouses_of_national_leaders there are a lot of such lists. There is no reason to delete only one of them. We should delete all of them (from USA to Uzbekistan) or keep all of them. - GorgonaJS (talk) 16:16, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
 * We did already delete Spouse of the Prime Minister of Singapore though, see Articles for deletion/Spouse of the Prime Minister of Singapore. TompaDompa (talk) 17:47, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete as failing WP:LISTN. That other similar pages exist (in countries where the circumstances might be different) is not an argument for keeping this page. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 22:51, 4 September 2021 (UTC)


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