Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of steelbands


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The result was keep. But unsourced and/or NN entries should be removed Spartaz Humbug! 06:16, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

List of steelbands

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Contested PROD. Fails GNG, INDISCRIMINATE. South Nashua (talk) 14:41, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
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 * Keep The nomination does not provide any evidence to support its assertion. In fact, the topic easily passes WP:LISTN as steel bands are notable individually and collectively.  Here is a selection of sources. Andrew D. (talk) 15:01, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Steelpan Ambassadors: The US Navy Steel Band, 1957–1999
 * The Steelband Movement: The Forging of a National Art in Trinidad
 * Steel Drums and Steelbands: A History
 * Forty Years of Steel: An Annotated Discography of Steel Band and Pan Recordings
 * Pan, the story of the steel band
 * The Steel-band: A New Dimension in Music in the Twentieth Century
 * History of Steelband Panorama of Trinidad and Tobago, 1963-1990
 * The Origin, Development and Diffusion of the Steel Band in the Caribbean and Beyond: The Historical Geography of a Musical Instrument
 * Unheard Voices: The Rise of Steelband and Calypso in the Caribbean
 * Invaders Steel Orchestra: The History of a Legendary Trinidad Steelband
 * Are these books? Magazine articles? Are they reliable? And in regard to the bands themselves, where is the line on what would be included? The topic is so broad that it can't avoid being a generalized directory of random steel drum bands. South Nashua (talk) 17:58, 12 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:LISTN and WP:NMUSIC. The above sources provided by Andrew.D only validate notability for Steelband (the target article is a redirect to Steelpan), it doesn't for a list of non-notable musical groups. Ajf773 (talk) 16:59, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Nonsense. Look at the first item in the current list.  It's the Invaders.  Next, notice one of the sources I listed above:  Invaders Steel Orchestra: The History of a Legendary Trinidad Steelband.  This is a substantial book of 700 pages and it's not the only one about the band -- there's plenty more sources out there for it.  So, this band is not just notable; it's famous.  The fact that we don't have an article for it yet is a travesty but is no reason to delete this early attempt at listing the key players in the field. Andrew D. (talk) 17:39, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
 * That's a good case for creating an article for Invaders. But isn't really sufficient if it's the only notable entry on a list. Ajf773 (talk) 18:55, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
 * There's obviously more than one notable steel band. For example, see the first entry in the list of sources that I posted above.  That's an entire book devoted to the United States Navy Steel Band.  And that's an existing article.  That article is not yet in the Category:Steelbands which leads us to yet more articles.  And so we see further evidence that this list has lots of potential.  Our editing policy is that "Even poor articles, if they can be improved, are welcome". Andrew D. (talk) 14:13, 13 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep or merge to steelpan (where steelband presently redirects). The sole question that I see is whether there are enough notable groups to merit a standalone list (Category:Steelbands has six, there may be more), a question that really should have been left to editors to discuss, not deletion processes. I do not see a valid argument presented that we shouldn't list steelbands anywhere. Please do remember WP:ATD is policy before you jump to deletion as a solution to a question of editing. Further, if steelband is a notable topic, as the deletion !voter has conceded above, then LISTN is necessarily satisfied. postdlf (talk) 15:39, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I'd support moving the specific content from steelpan (which is an instrument) and moving into a steelband where the article can be established. Then merge or redirect this list into there. Ajf773 (talk) 21:40, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   20:43, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
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 * Keep and expand. However all red-link/unlinked entries should be sourced. Pburka (talk) 23:33, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Each entry should pass WP:NMUSIC. Ajf773 (talk) 17:14, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Pburka (talk) 23:49, 22 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep. While the current article is a mess, and always has been (even when I created it, 11 years ago), there are plenty of bands that could meet NMUSIC. Scholarly works like Shannon Dudley's Music from behind the bridge discuss the origins and histories of many bands, while regular newspaper pieces discuss the performance of steelbands in the annual Panorama competition, and occasional profile pieces delve into many bands in depth. It needs lots of work, and I'm guilty of creating and abandoning the article. But I believe it's a perfectly viable list article. Guettarda (talk) 00:33, 23 December 2017 (UTC)


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