Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of streets in Karachi


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. I have considered the notability argument for deletion, however, in our WP:N guideline, this also applies:

Lists that fulfill recognized informational, navigation, or development purposes often are kept regardless of any demonstrated notability.

Hence, while I understand the arguments for deletion, they do not apply in this scenario. Yamamoto Ichiro (talk) 02:45, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

List of streets in Karachi

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This is a list of streets, each of which largely fail our guidelines for general notability, effectively a walled garden of sorts. I am presenting this deletion request to the community on the basis that Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. Regards, Yamaguchi先生 (talk) 22:09, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 23:09, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 23:09, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 23:09, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

*Delete - Had they all be wikilinked then fine but the article's existed since 2007 and only 5 or 6 out of 45 have been created, All the streets aren't notable (I've searched for 3 and found nothing) and it's extremely unlikely they'll ever be created thus making this article useless, Also in the 10 years it's been here there's not been one source added at all ....., I personally think it's utterly pointless in keeping something that we all know will never be expanded nor improved... plus it fails GNG anyway, As the saying goes No source = No article, Delete. – Davey 2010 Talk 01:32, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. Even assuming that none of the redlinks in this list merit articles (and that there's no basis for listing any nonnotable streets), Category:Streets in Karachi shows we have 21 articles on individual streets. That's plenty for a list. postdlf (talk) 19:34, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you postdlf for commenting. In your opinion, how many individual street articles would be required to justify such a list?  I ask because most all of the 21 articles you refer to lack anything in the way of non-trivial coverage from reliable sources.  The majority have no sources at all, and the few that do fail our standards for reliability.  Regards, Yamaguchi先生 (talk) 22:50, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Then you've done all of this backwards, haven't you? Nominate the street articles for deletion that don't pass GNG and then we'll see whether a list is merited for whatever remains. We're certainly not going to waste time discussing the merits of other articles that aren't actually included in this AFD. postdlf (talk) 22:54, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
 * While I was not aware of the additional poorly sourced articles until you mentioned them, this only furthers the point that this is a walled garden. You are welcome to assist in the assessment process, as a second set of eyes to review would be helpful.  Regards, Yamaguchi先生 (talk) 23:14, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep ditto  sami  talk 22:22, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep Karachi is a huge city. And I doubt it will be long before all the redlinks in this article would have their own pages, even if only stubs on Wikipedia soon.— Trip Wire ︢ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︡ ︢ ︡  ʞlɐʇ 22:42, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Karachi is a populous city, there is no argument to be made about that. That said, this list has existed for several years without improvement. Per WP:NGEO, "geographical features must be notable on their own merits", and "local roads and motorway service areas may vary, and are presumed to be notable if they have been the subject of multiple published secondary sources which are reliable and independent of the subject."  As this list is unsourced, and the few articles which are linked also fail to provide adequate sourcing, your subsequent claim is dubiously speculative and wishful at best.  Regards, Yamaguchi先生 (talk) 19:13, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep per below - The streets in the category can easily be added to the article and I'd imagine there's sources somewhere. – Davey 2010 Talk 18:34, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete actually as I see nothing else convincing to keep and this is still questionable overall. SwisterTwister   talk  04:14, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - No sources to support such a list, and the vast majority are redlinks. Though there are a number of existing articles on streets in Karachi that could be enough to sustain a list, as the majority appear to be unsourced substubs that will almost certainly be bulk AFD'd and deleted, it would be pointlessly bureaucratic to withdraw this nomination and renominate again two weeks later. QueenCake (talk) 17:08, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — UY Scuti Talk  19:45, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep none of these streets probably need a separate article, but a list is fine, as long as it doesn't get to extensive. ThePlatypusofDoom (talk) 20:12, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Having a list of redlinked articles yet to be created is useless to the reader and the list will grow with more redlinks ..... sure they could be create but chances are they won't ..... – Davey 2010 Talk 20:19, 8 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment – Could this be redirected to "List of notable streets in Karachi" (or similar) and narrowed to only list streets with demonstrable notability? — Nizolan  (talk) 21:18, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
 * That's a matter for normal editing and is typical for lists. By convention, we do not include self-referential terms such as "notable" in article titles even when they are limited in practice in that way, so there's no need to rename. postdlf (talk) 00:19, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Postdlf's correct- We don't ever have the word "notable" in any article title, That aside it's a great idea however there's only about 5 or 6 bluelinks there so seems pointless to have a list of 6 articles and nothing else.... – Davey 2010 Talk 00:42, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
 * There are 21 in the category. Maybe some of those should be deleted, maybe all, but this AFD can't decide that either way because it's just about this list, an index. I'm also concerned about WP:SYSTEMICBIAS when we're talking about features of a nonwestern city, so I'm more inclined to give the benefit of the doubt absent some showing of familiarity with the subject. postdlf (talk) 00:57, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Well damn I hadn't spotted that, & I haven't been biased ? ... Well atleast I don't think I have ? .... – Davey 2010 Talk 01:13, 9 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep and clean up – Thanks for the clarification . I was thinking of the List of famous mosques (which I now see is also at AfD), but I get that that's a bit different in any case. I do agree on the point about non-western coverage, and since the selection criteria seem objective and there are a range of potential articles that can be listed, I'm going to go ahead and !vote keep. Some of the arguments to delete seem to boil down to WP:NEGLECT, which is a cleanup matter and not a deletion matter. For what it's worth, I don't think every entry here needs its own article necessarily either, but that can be discussed at the article. — Nizolan  (talk) 02:06, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. Either way, if you like or hate articles abouts streets in Karachi, then you should vote Keep.  Any new individual street topics should be covered first in the list-article, and only hive off into separate articles if there's lots to say about them. -- do  ncr  am  17:39, 9 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep – Qualifies for an article per WP:NOTDUP relative to Category:Streets in Karachi. The article can actually be significantly expanded with entries from this category. North America1000 00:13, 16 April 2016 (UTC)


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