Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of tallest buildings in Cairns (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete.  Sandstein  09:10, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

List of tallest buildings in Cairns
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Despite the unanimous keep previously, I am still not seeing any evidence that there are multiple reliable sources covering this topic in depth. I also don't see how this list meets any of the purposes outlined at WP:LISTPURP. It takes all of its information from a user-generated database and not one of the buildings is tall or notable! It completely fails any criteria for a stand-alone list on tall buildings.

Since the previous AfD, there has been a growing consensus that these types of lists do need to demonstrate WP:SIGCOV and do need to pass WP:LISTN, some examples are below but this is not exhaustive:


 * Tagaytay
 * Abbotsford
 * Ranchi
 * Amherst
 * Bradenton
 * Kanpur
 * Wolverhampton

And many, many more. As with those above, this fails WP:LISTN for multiple reasons:


 * Firstly, the list has no navigational purpose as the overwhelming majority of the buildings featured are not notable enough for their own Wikipedia article (not even one notable building).
 * Secondly, this topic does not have WP:SIGCOV in WP:RS. Database listings in Skyscraperpage and Emporis do not constitute significant coverage. There is some coverage here, here and here but not enough to justify this article.
 * I see no evidence that the topic 'List of tallest buildings in Cairns' is covered as a group by reliable secondary sources but I am happy to be proved wrong here.
 * No significant high-rise buildings under construction or even planned currently so little chance of future notability; no point in sending to draft. 63m is not tall.
 * The whole article is currently a violation of WP:NOTMIRROR in that it's just a copy and paste from Emporis.
 * The city is not the largest in Queensland nor is it the capital.
 * I really do not believe that a building being taller than 35m makes it notable. We do not set the bar so low in Brisbane so why are we doing it here? Spiderone  22:03, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete All non-notable buildings, few of which can be considered tall. Reywas92Talk 01:04, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone  22:04, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone  22:04, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone  22:04, 6 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete: Article does not meet WP:GNG, there is not WP:SIGCOV discussing the subject directly and indepth or WP:LISTN, WP:RS do not discuss this as a group. The city is not notable for tall buildings and the List does not meet the purposes of WP:CLN, non of the list elements are notable.   // Timothy ::  talk  01:27, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment - SpiderOne:
 * why are you targeting so many Australian articles? Why not help contribute to them instead of nominating everything for deletion?
 * Emporis has been considered a reliable source on countless other AfDs about buildings so I don't see why you can treat it differently here. You can't just cite other AfDs and say that it applies.
 * Nor can you say it's not a reliable source then say at the same time it violates NOTMIRROR for having the same information as Emporis. You can't have it both ways.
 * For my part, these lists are what makes Wikipedia interesting and are a clear example of WP:NOTPAPER. Where there are sources (which there are here), the list is notable. Deus et lex (talk) 08:50, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I have improved many Australian articles recently, for example Bronwyn Nutley, Sammie Wood, Cian Maciejewski, two of which were just about to be deleted. Emporis is not a reliable source no matter how you slice it. It is a website built by its user community. It appears to be moderated but anyone can essentially create an account and add buildings to it. If we argue that Emporis is a reliable source, then I will apply NOTMIRROR. That was why I put that point in. Either way, an article that's copied and pasted from Emporis has issues. Serious ones. If WP:NOTPAPER is the only policy that we can cite for keeping this article then I'm not convinced as we could use NOTPAPER to justify an article on my great aunt's cat... Spiderone  09:52, 7 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete Fails WP:GNG. I don't know if this is a useful topic. Alex-h (talk) 11:00, 9 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep This article is much more than a mirror to Emporis the two are not the same. There is the current list and a proposed section in the article. There is several sources so Cairns buildings have some notability. Just because Cairns is not the state capital it is a very important tourism centre being ranked number 3 in Australia. I think its better to improve articles that need it than just the easy option to delete them. As we try to enhance Wikipedia as a learning tool going forward.CHCBOY (talk) 18:29, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Please can you share some of these several sources that show notability? Spiderone  19:14, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

15:44, 10 December 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.132.104.53 (talk)  — 1.132.104.53 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Keep There are several newer taller buildings that have gone up in the last year along with several more currently under construction. In addition there are buildings with historical significance, although not tall, so perhaps the page should be on the buildings in general with a section on the highest. Comparisons to Brisbane are not a valid argument. Given the recent discussion it appears there is some interest in the page.
 * None of these newer buildings under construction are tall or notable either. Please can you link me to some reliable sources with in-depth coverage on these buildings of historical significance? Spiderone  09:59, 10 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Weak delete - as the lost is currently designed, this fails my standards. However, an article could in theory be constructed that describes the recent building boom in Cairns. Bearian (talk) 01:48, 11 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. - Mnnlaxer &#124; talk  &#124; stalk 20:46, 13 December 2020 (UTC)


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