Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of tallest buildings in Columbia, Missouri


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Albeit, weak. (non-admin closure) &#x222F; WBG converse 16:25, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

List of tallest buildings in Columbia, Missouri

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Does not meet WP:LISTN which requires reliable sources to discuss the items in the list as a group. Only building that are notable are notable for historical reasons, not their height. Rusf10 (talk) 21:20, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
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 * Note: This debate has been included in the Article Rescue Squadron's list of content for rescue consideration. 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 14:45, 10 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Merge into Columbia,_Missouri per WP:ATD and WP:PRESERVE. Andrew D. (talk) 08:06, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep I’ve added a source from Emporis that discusses the items as a group. Several of the other sources mention more than one building on the list in discussion about height. Useful and well-sourced article comparable to other city tallest building list. Some of the buildings are notable historically exactly because of their height. It is too much information to merge while retaining quality in my opinion. Grey Wanderer (talk) 12:48, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Emporis.com is not a reliable source, it is WP:UGC--Rusf10 (talk) 15:14, 9 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. There are no sources that talk about the buildings as a group, thus failing WP:NLIST.  As mentioned, Emporis.com is not a reliable source, and can not be used to establish notability.  I was considering a selective merge to Columbia,_Missouri, however as only a very small amount of the information present on this list is actually sourced by anything close to reliable sources, and those sources do little except establish that these buildings exist, I don't feel that is really necessary.  Rorshacma (talk) 15:28, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * @User:Rorshacma this source discusses at least four of the buildings on the list, and their context in the skyline. If I found other sources besides emporis for heights would you consider changing your vote? Grey Wanderer (talk) 18:51, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I would certainly not be opposed to the cityscape section of the Columbia,_Missouri article being expanded with additional sources. However, I do not think that doing so necessitates the preservation or merging of this particular list.  The source you provided here, for example, only has one brief mention of the height of one of the buildings, and its source is, again, Emporis.  Rorshacma (talk) 19:30, 10 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep or Merge into Columbia,_Missouri per WP:ATD and WP:PRESERVE. Includes a number of notable buildings. Satifies CSC.Djflem (talk) 05:38, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep for reasons cited by Grey Wanderer and Rorshacma User:Djflem  7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 14:38, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
 * user:7&6=thirteen Another WP:PERX vote. Do you even read other comments in the discussion before you vote? If you actually did, you might have realized user:Rorshacma voted delete. But I suppose that doesn't matter to you, as long as all articles are kept for any reason anyone else can come up with.--Rusf10 (talk) 15:36, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Ah yes. The inevitable WP:Personal attack and Argumentum ad hominem from User:Rusf10.
 * My voting record at AFDs is irrelevant. And it contradicts your labeling of me.
 * OTOH, arguendo, if such arguments have a place here, your 89% DELETES and 5% KEEPs proves your bias. Just sayin' .... <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 16:08, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
 * user:7&6=thirteen, so are you going to explain your vote? Because keep as per person who voted delete makes absolutely no sense. Just sayin'.--Rusf10 (talk) 16:49, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
 * User:Rusf10 are you going to retract your gibberish and b.s. WP:Personal attack? WP:Sauce <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 17:08, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
 * It's still a WP:PERX vote--Rusf10 (talk) 17:26, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I made a correction. We disagree.  That's your opinion, which does not qualify under Ipse dixit.  <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 17:34, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Your fancy legal terms in a dead language do not impress me. You're the one who made a vote that rest entirely on the opinion of another person. Isn't that ipse dixit by definition?--Rusf10 (talk) 17:56, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Your unsupportable accusations are just a distraction. You are what your record says you are. 'Nuf said. <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 18:18, 10 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete or merge into Columbia,_Missouri, per nominator/first response. Endymion.12 (talk) 14:50, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep each individual building on the list can be referenced with a reliable source like: Jesse Hall - columbiatribune ref. WP:NEXIST The list is relevant, and serves as a starting place for a researcher. As Djflem has stated, the article appears to satisfy CSC. It seems any list of tall buildings is almost guaranteed to be sent to Afd as of late. I refer to the many tall building articles nominated for Afds: Aurora Colorado, Cities with the most high rises, Peoria Ill Metairie, Louisiana, North Hudson NJ Tysons VA. People around the world are fascinated by tall buildings. And as Grey Wanderer has staed: Some of the buildings are notable historically exactly because of their height. Just as a tall person is notable for their Height. Regarding Emporis...it cannot be dismissed entirely. Emporis has its place in research...as a starting place for further research: exactly like Wikipedia and IMDB. An ambitious researcher can improve this article with reliable sources. Additional Note: Emporis does not yet appear on the WP:UGC list. Lightburst (talk) 00:09, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
 * If you think every item on this list in notable and therefore CSC applies, prove it (otherwise WP:LISTN must be met). So far, proof has not been provided and I doubt it can be. Some of the building are notable, not all of them (and not because of their height). I brought up Emporis.com's reliability at WP:RSN and the consensus was that it was not reliable. WP:UGC is not an all inclusive list, therefore Emporis does not have to appear there to be classified as UGC.--Rusf10 (talk) 00:17, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I do not see where any Consensus was reached - I counted exactly 9 editors who commented (very small sampling and most didn't ivote). Emporis at RSN. And there are not enough hours in the day for me to shore up the refs on all these tall building afds. As an Ivoter I determine if reliable sources exist, and work on the article when I can. Lightburst (talk) 01:06, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Note that while Rusf10 insist it is not reliable, the only person who agreed with him at first changed their vote to "Marginally reliable" after evidence was shown otherwise. Two others have said its reliable.  The fact that thousands of articles use it and have for years should indicate a lot of people consider it reliable.   D r e a m Focus  03:06, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Note that Rusf10's is a convenient incorrect interpretative claim of the now-archived discussion. Most of those who took a stand point said it was reliable or the unofficial "marginally reliable" and that because it is used as reliable reference in other books and publications, information as to verifability provided by Emporis, and the fact that it is not "largely" user-generated, as is clearly stated in Wikipedia policy.Djflem (talk) 16:40, 15 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep There are enough entries on the list with their own articles to justify it as a list. A reference is titled "Fifth and Walnut parking garage to be tallest in Columbia" for an item that doesn't even have its own article.  Around the world buildings being the tallest in a city get coverage.  Its a notable topic.   D r e a m Focus  03:09, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep It could merge to Columbia,_Missouri but would create a WEIGHT problem due to the length and it would make sense to split again. -- Green  C  14:32, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Neutral - I am this article's creator. I am not sure which way to interpret WP:NOTESAL, but I appreciate it's authority in this discussion. Mark Schierbecker (talk) 07:55, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for creating the article which satisfies LISTPURP as stated Lists that fulfill recognized informational, navigation, or development purposes and CSC, which states:Short, complete lists of every item that is verifiably a member of the group. These should only be created if a complete list is reasonably short (less than 32K) and could be useful (e.g., for navigation) or interesting to readers. The inclusion of items must be supported by reliable sources. For example, if reliable sources indicate that a complete list would include the names of ten notable businesses and two non-notable businesses, then you are not required to omit the two non-notable businesses. However, if a complete list would include hundreds or thousands of entries, then you should use the notability standard to provide focus to the list. Djflem (talk) 18:00, 15 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep - Unless planning on doing a mass AfD for all other similar lists featuring the tallest buildings of various small U.S. cities, there is no reason for this to be deleted. ––<b style="color:#3399FF">Redditaddict69</b> <sup style="color:#339900">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(contribs)  07:35, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep (rather than merge). The articles in Template:US tallest buildings lists are mixed between those that list buildings in a cityscape section of a city article or as a separate article ... raising the issue of deleting other articles makes WP:AON relevant here. There is a general consensus amongst wikipedia editors that collated information about the tallest buildings in a US city (ie the cityscape) is of note and relevant for this encyclopaedia; so completely concur this is WP:PRESERVE. It seems the issue at hand is whether the list of buildings in Colombia MO deserves an article per se or should be merged.  This question relates to the significance of Colombia MO as a city itself.  The buildings of Midland TX (pop 130.000) are incorporated into a cityscape section, the buildings of Tulsa OK (pop 400.000 approx) have their own list article, Lubbock TX (300.000) incorporated into city article.  Colombia's population is closest to Midland.  Not that this should necessarily be a guide, Beaumont TX has a separate article and a similar population.  It's worth noting that the buildings in the list are predominantly structures that are part of a single organisation (viz the University of Missouri);  8 of the 12 entries are university structures, 1 is parking lot (possibly a questionable inclusion). However, merging this into the Cityscape section will doubtless cause a WP:LENGTH problem, hence recommend keep.  --Goldsztajn (talk) 14:22, 16 July 2019 (UTC)


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