Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of tallest buildings in Columbia, Missouri (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. In addition to the majority favoring deletion, the repeated appeals to WP:LISTPURP are a weak argument for keeping. Presumably this is an "informational" list, but there does not appear to be any attempt to establish the notability of the information. Navigational lists (including WP:Outlines and WP:Indexes) are often treated more like navboxes or categories, where notability is not a key criterion. But since that doesn't apply here, the lack of arguments supporting notability is close to fatal, and combined with being a minority position in the discussion it definitely is fatal. RL0919 (talk) 02:45, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

List of tallest buildings in Columbia, Missouri
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A dubious close the first time around, the precedent from many discussion of these lists taken from the now shut-down Emporis is that lists from smaller cities with not terribly tall buildings have generally been deleted. When a parking garage is the fifth entry on the list, it is not a good sign. Almost all the buildings listed are 9 or 10 stories, and only one has more stories than that; the tallest is only 180 feet tall. As per the original nomination, nothing here is notable for its height, and there's no discussion of the height of the buildings in the city beyond the now-departed Emporis page, where there articles on even quite small cities. Columbia, while pretty big for Missouri, is still a small place, and its buildings are unremarkable for their height. Mangoe (talk) 02:34, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
 * For reference, I found 90-some "List of tallest buildings in" deletion discussions. Looking through them I found only a few definite keeps, including one for Karachi which was based on sourcing, not notability. Second discussions that I looked at were all deletes. There were a few redirects to the parent city article, but the vast majority had deletion as an outcome. Mangoe (talk) 03:05, 27 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Architecture, Lists,  and Missouri. –LaundryPizza03 ( d  c̄ ) 05:01, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete There's nothing remotely notable about any of this, least of all the height of the buildings. --TheInsatiableOne (talk) 07:28, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
 * That is the height of the buildings in Columbia. And since the article is about the tallest buildings in Columbia, Missouri, that is what is relevant, not whether anyone one finds the height remarkable. Djflem (talk) 16:38, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I gathered that this is about the height of buildings in Columbia, the issue is one of notability. Why, exactly, is this notable to the wider world? They seem fairly par for the course in any city. TheInsatiableOne (talk) 07:54, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment A list for just everything in the city that has a Wikipedia article I think would work better. Category:Buildings and structures in Columbia, Missouri. There is List of tallest buildings in Missouri but none of these buildings are tall enough to be merged onto that list.   D r e a m Focus  12:30, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes there are several blue linked buildings, which conforms to reasons to keep lists such as this. To eliminate those without would make the article List of tallest buildings in Columbia, Missouri which have Wikipedia articles, which would be rather strange, wouldn't it? Djflem (talk) 16:41, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
 * @Djflem see WP:LIST. Unless you can argue a discrete/complete set, it becomes arbitrary...at least Wikipedia articles indicate some sort of notability. But even so...this seems like an arbitrary combination of notable lists imo ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 21:44, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 21:30, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - Satisfies LISTPURP. Schierbecker (talk) 03:00, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - Article is likely to grow per above WP:LISTPURP, five of the entries are since 2010, a different five articles are notable in their own right. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. But if an article is verifiable, notable, well-sourced, and useful to boot. Seems a real waste to delete it.  Grey Wanderer (talk) 17:42, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
 * In fact the list was copied from Emporis some three years later, so the list is not likely to grow unless someone is watching the Columbia real estate market closely. And even then, it's only likely to change if someone builds a taller building than what's already there. Mangoe (talk) 01:33, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Just because it satisfies listpurp doesn't mean it is needed...
 * if I make a "list of middle schools in missouri". yes it does fit listpurp, but it's not needed due to its obscurity.
 * Columbia has a population of 128,879. but 31,318 of those are Mizzou students . So I subtracted those since they aren't permanent residents and got 97,651.
 * Despite being bigger, Springfield doesn't have a list.
 * with it being a college town, most of the tallest buildings are in the college and not the actual town LuxembourgBoy42 (talk) 20:43, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 00:01, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Not sure what purpose the people quoting LISTPURP feel it is fulfilling.  Walt Yoder (talk) 21:30, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - I think it's useful snapshot of the history of architecture in Columbia, and well-referenced. I think it could benefit from a column for architectural styles. Prburley (talk)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete WP:LISTPURP is a manual of style guideline not a notability guideline. The relevant guideline is WP:NLIST which I believe this fails. "One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources." LibStar (talk) 00:30, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. Insofar as this information is worth listing at all, it surely belongs in the section entitled Cityscape in the article on Columbia, Missouri. There is nothing to justify a stand-alone article. Athel cb (talk) 08:09, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Is that a merge suggestion? Djflem (talk) 16:32, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep as it provides overview and insight into history, architecture, urban planning development, cityscape of Columbia that encyclopedia and useful it & since it satifies SALAT, Wikipedia:LISTPURP, LISTCRITERIA and LISTN (which is specific about there not being a consensus about notability of lists of this type). Djflem (talk) 16:38, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
 * The phrase "that encyclopedia and useful it" does not make sense. It is not correct English. LibStar (talk) 16:43, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
 * "that is that encyclopedic and useful" Djflem (talk) 17:23, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
 * WP:ITSUSEFUL is not a reason for keeping. LibStar (talk) 00:36, 9 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete: as a Missouri resident myself. The only way Columbia is notable is because it has Mizzou. In my opinion, the only major cities in missouri that deserve these "list of tallest buildings" pages is St. Louis, Kansas City, Springfield, and arguably Cape Guireardo, St. Charles, Jefferson City, and Hannibal
 * Also the fact that the 5th tallest building is a
 * parking garage says a lot about how
 * meaningless this page is LuxembourgBoy42 (talk) 00:30, 9 May 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.