Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of tallest buildings in Karachi


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. postdlf (talk) 22:28, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

List of tallest buildings in Karachi

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Hello. I am recommending deletion of this list on the basis that the information presented is not reliable, and will most likely be near impossible to appropriately source in a manner which would be consistent with our encyclopedia.

There are 94 different buildings being compared in this list, almost all of which are without an article, and only two sources. Visiting those two sources, one goes to the Karachi Port Trust at http://www.kpt.gov.pk/ and provides no verifiable information at that link, and the second source is a public notice PDF from the Sindh Building Control Authority, which actually contradicts the information presented where cited. The PDF source makes references to number of floors and sellable square footage for "Bahria Town Icon", and does not provide height values for KPT Twin Tower, does not confirm if the project is approved, and disagrees with the number of floors listed.

In other words, save for two inappropriately cited references which do nothing to validate any of the claims provided, this list is unsourced. Steps were taken WP:BEFORE this nomination to locate better sources for this list but were not successful. Please do not hesitate to contact me if there is a recognized body which tracks this information in a uniform and consistent manner and appropriate sources can be located prior to the close of this discussion. Regards, Yamaguchi先生 (talk) 00:51, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 01:07, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 01:07, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 01:18, 24 November 2015 (UTC)


 * For all its problems, the list doesn't have a single maintenance tag. We have such lists for pretty much every city in the world. My inclination would be to tag it and at least try to fix the problems, before trying to delete. Keep. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 01:18, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you Shawn in Montreal for your comment. Other lists of this nature certainly do exist, but there are specific concerns here with this one in particular.  How do you propose to resolve the issues of verifiability with List of tallest buildings in Karachi?  Please feel free to notify and include any relevant discussion boards if you would like.  If there is a standard body or authority for tracking this data I will assist with updating the references and withdraw this nomination.  Regards, Yamaguchi先生 (talk) 19:57, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I have no idea. But you could just tag the list or the problem entries for starters. WP:PERFECTION is not required. That's why God and Jimbo Wales (same thing) invented maintenance tags. And of course Afd is WP:NOTCLEANUP. Sorry that's my best advice. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 09:21, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you Shawn, I do understand your concerns and agree that AfD is WP:NOTCLEANUP. This article was nominated for deletion on the basis that the content is not verifiable in a manner congruent with our established policies and guidelines.  I do not believe that it is possible to resolve these issues through the editing process, nor do I believe that there is anything in the way of salvageable content from the page history.  Regards, Yamaguchi先生 (talk) 20:47, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep. Certainly needs more sourcing, but Karachi is easily a large enough city for this sort of list. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:04, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
 * The size or importance of Karachi is not being disputed here. The concern is that we as an encyclopedia are making various claims as to the height, number of floors, year construction started or completed (vague and unclear), and various other statistics on ninety four (94) different buildings without a single reliable source to stand on.  While I agree with you that this certainly does need more sourcing, I do not believe that sources are available at this time to support such a list, hence this nomination.  Regards, Yamaguchi先生 (talk) 21:28, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 04:22, 1 December 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Redirect to list of tallest buildings in Pakistan until more RS's are provided... they aren't easy to find online and in English. Siuenti (talk) 22:17, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 14:13, 8 December 2015 (UTC)


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