Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of tallest buildings in Townsville


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete.  Sandstein  15:13, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

List of tallest buildings in Townsville

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You need to have a good reason to bring an article back to AfD when the consensus was so clearly 'keep' before. In my opinion, I think that it's worth having a second discussion about this one, especially since the previous discussion was quite poor for the simple reason that many of the arguments totally ignored any Wikipedia inclusion policy. It was disappointing to see arguments to avoid being used such as WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, WP:ITSUSEFUL and WP:ITSINTERESTING. The rationale for deletion was, itself, not strong and that seems to be one of the main reasons as to why it was kept. Since that AfD, there has been a growing consensus that these types of lists do need to demonstrate WP:SIGCOV and do need to pass WP:LISTN, some examples are below but this is not exhaustive:


 * Tagaytay
 * Abbotsford
 * Ranchi
 * Amherst
 * Bradenton
 * Kanpur
 * Wolverhampton

And many, many more. As with those above, this fails WP:LISTN for multiple reasons:


 * Firstly, the list has no navigational purpose as the overwhelming majority of the buildings featured are not notable enough for their own Wikipedia article (only one notable building).
 * Secondly, this topic does not have WP:SIGCOV in WP:RS. Database listings in Skyscraper Center, Skyscraperpage and Emporis do not constitute significant coverage.
 * I see no evidence that the topic 'List of tallest buildings in Townsville' is covered as a group by reliable secondary sources but I am happy to be proved wrong here.
 * No significant high-rise buildings under construction or even planned currently so little chance of future notability; no point in sending to draft.
 * The whole article is currently a violation of WP:NOTMIRROR in that it's just a copy and paste from Emporis.
 * The city is not the largest in Queensland nor is it the capital.
 * I really do not believe that a building being taller than 36m makes it notable. We do not set the bar so low in Brisbane so why are we doing it here? Spiderone  21:47, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone  21:48, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone  21:48, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone  21:48, 6 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete: nom summed this up complately. Article does not meet WP:GNG, there is not WP:SIGCOV discussing the subject directly and indepth or WP:LISTN, WP:RS do not discuss this as a group. The city is not notable for tall buildings and the List does not meet the purposes of WP:CLN, only a single list entry has an article.   // Timothy ::  talk  01:28, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep This article is much more than a mirror to Emporis the two are not the same. This article really needs a ref improve tab There is several sources so some Townsville buildings have some notability.  I think its better to improve articles that need it than just the easy option to delete them. As we try to enhance Wikipedia as a learning tool going forward.CHCBOY (talk) 18:34, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Where are the other sources that this article uses? None of them are cited in the article. It certainly gives the impression that it's all cited to the user-generated Emporis. Spiderone  19:13, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Yes we need to find more sources which can help improve the article. I have linked the city's tallest to its article now renamed.CHCBOY (talk) 18:04, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Hotel Grand Chancellor Townsville is an interesting building and most probably a notable one. My concern still remains, though, that the topic of 'tallest buildings in Townsville' is not covered significantly by the media. The two tallest buildings are both notable enough for articles but is their height really something that's documented that much? Outside of Emporis and Skyscraperpage, is the topic of tall buildings in Townsville actually discussed at all? Spiderone  18:41, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

I fully understand this issue they are not mentioned in the media.CHCBOY (talk) 09:32, 12 December 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete - this only has one or two elements of my standards for such lists: it's a large, regionally important city and it seems to make sense. However, no building is over 20 stories, and only two have blue links. Perhaps a smerge could be considered. Bearian (talk) 01:52, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   09:12, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete having these lists for small cities never made sense.  DGG ( talk ) 10:41, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and comments above. Edge3 (talk) 21:35, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment I don't know why you picked out Townsville over Wollongong which from its list has no notable buildings with their own stand alone articles and no tall ones over 100m either.CHCBOY (talk) 08:10, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS; the existence of that article does not prove that this one has notability. I agree that the Wollongong list doesn't warrant inclusion so I have started a discussion for that one too. Spiderone  11:49, 17 December 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.