Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of tallest buildings in Wollongong (2nd nomination)


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The result was delete. Missvain (talk) 01:32, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

List of tallest buildings in Wollongong
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In my opinion, I think that it's worth having a second discussion about this one. Since that previous AfD (where the main contributor basically admitted that they use their own eyes to construct this list since there aren't reliable sources compiling the info, in my view, a blatant violation of WP:OR and WP:GNG), there has been a growing consensus that these types of lists do need to demonstrate WP:SIGCOV and do need to pass WP:LISTN, some examples are below but this is not exhaustive:


 * Tagaytay
 * Abbotsford
 * Ranchi
 * Amherst
 * Bradenton
 * Kanpur
 * Wolverhampton
 * Cairns

And I could have cited many, many more. As with those above, this fails WP:LISTN for multiple reasons:


 * Firstly, the list has no navigational purpose as the overwhelming majority of the buildings featured are not notable enough for their own Wikipedia article (those that are notable are not tall and are not known for their height).
 * Secondly, this topic does not have WP:SIGCOV in WP:RS. Database listings in Skyscraper Center, Skyscraperpage and Emporis do not constitute significant coverage.
 * I see no evidence that the topic 'List of tallest buildings in Wollongong' is covered as a group by reliable secondary sources but I am happy to be proved wrong here.
 * No significant high-rise buildings under construction or even planned currently so little chance of future notability; no point in sending to draft.
 * The whole article is currently a violation of WP:NOTMIRROR in that it's just a copy and paste from Emporis.
 * The city is not the largest in NSW nor is it the capital.
 * I really do not believe that a building being taller than 35m makes it notable. We do not set the bar so low in Brisbane so why are we doing it here? Spiderone  11:48, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone  11:49, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone  11:49, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone  11:50, 17 December 2020 (UTC)


 * I can't make a great argument for keeping this since I can't find any list that's not the Emporis directory, but the tallest buildings in Wollongong have been regularly discussed in local sources, just not as a group. I do want to point out the following fallacies though: lists do not need to be navigational; a city's size or administrative status has no bearing on whether they're eligible for one of these lists; and different cities have different skylines, and Wollongong clearly has a skyline, albeit a small one, so 35m shouldn't be any sort of hard cutoff for an article. I also don't think WP:NOTMIRROR applies here - the spirit of NOTMIRROR is to prevent us from hosting indiscriminate copy-pastes of public domain material. What's important is the available sourcing. SportingFlyer  T · C  14:15, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * In my opinion, for the topic of tall buildings in Wollongong to be notable, there would need to be at least some sources commenting on the development of skyline or its influence on other cities. For example, in the recent Rockford AfD, it was questioned why Chicago warranted such an article but Rockford didn't, to which I responded with Chicago is home to St. Regis Chicago, the tallest structure in the world designed by a woman. This alone gets coverage, for example here and here and here. Chicago was and still is hugely influential in the world of skyscraper development. It is the subject of numerous books, for example this, this and this. Also, this article explains how even the great Burj Khalifa and the Jeddah Tower can be linked to Chicago. If a similar amount of importance and notability can be found for Rockford then I'll happily change my stance to keep. Even if a lot of these heights could be sourced, there would still be a question mark over the overall notability of the actual topic itself. The reason I brought up navigational purpose is because these lists can sometimes be reappropriated as, say, 'List of notable buildings in Wollongong' but I don't think that there are enough notable buildings in this list to make that move. Technically, none of these buildings are tall as, according to most definitions, skyscrapers must be at least 150m tall, so Wollongong has no skyscrapers. Compare that to Sydney, with 40 skyscrapers and 18 more under construction and the contrast is clear. Spiderone  15:08, 17 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete: Fails WP:LISTN does not have WP:SIGCOV in WP:RS discussing this as a group. The city is not notable for tall buildings and the buildings on the list are not notably tall. The list does not meet WP:CLN, there is nothing there that can assist in navigation.   // Timothy ::  talk  18:21, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - badly fails my standards. - and per nom. Only one building is over 20 stories, and none are over 60 floors. This is not an international tourist or business destination. It makes no sense to me. Bearian (talk) 22:48, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Beyond My Ken (talk) 04:18, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and WP:LISTN. Abhi88iisc (talk) 15:57, 20 December 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.