Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of terrorist incidents against Israelis in Israel and the Palestinian territories in 2023


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. I see a consensus that this article should be Deleted. Liz Read! Talk! 22:35, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

List of terrorist incidents in Israel in 2023

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Created today. A collection of armed attacks against Israelis in Israel. Article misuses the label "terrorist", which goes against MOS:TERRORIST. A number of incidents on the list have not been labelled as terrorism by the linked sources, so we have a fundamental OR/SYNTH problem. The list also indiscriminately includes incidents that are arguably not classified as terrorism (e.g., armed attacks against Israeli military installations or personnel). Finally, it can be argued that the list criteria violate WP:NPOV, since the article only considers attacks against Israelis but not against other nationalities. — kashmīrī  TALK  12:36, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Which incidents are the ones which you refer to as being "armed attacks against Israeli military installations or personnel"? WikiJunkie (talk) 18:02, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
 * E.g., January 25. — kashmīrī  TALK  19:50, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
 * You're right. January 25 was at a military post, even though it was near a civilian settlement. I removed that instance from the article. WikiJunkie (talk) 04:42, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Perhaps civilians were used as human shields. Good you've removed that incident. — kashmīrī  TALK  00:48, 22 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Terrorism, Israel,  and Palestine. —  kashmīrī  TALK  12:36, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep: Seems to be well-sourced, could perhaps use a rewrite or new title to ensure NPOV, ok otherwise methinks. Oaktree b (talk) 14:36, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
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 * Comment: It's a translation of an article from the Hebrew Wikipedia that is also titled that there. StreetcarEnjoyer (talk)  19:48, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
 * We also have many other articles with a similar title. Is it being suggested that we'll also remove the articles List of terrorist incidents in France, Terrorist incidents in Iraq in 2020 and List of terrorist incidents in India for the same reasons? WikiJunkie (talk) 04:51, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * We don't have "terrorist incidents against the French in France", "against the Hindus in India", etc.
 * Why did you decide not to include terrorism against other nationalities (e.g., the Palestinians) in Israel? — kashmīrī  TALK  10:06, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * In my opinion the scope of this article and any articles of this type should encompass all instances of terrorism against innocent civilian populations within Israel and the Israeli settlements (we could have a separate set of similar articles for the areas under the control of Hamas and the Palestinian Authority), including acts of Jewish extremist terrorism within Israel and the Israeli settlements. While the current wording was chosen to ensure coverage of the attacks against Israeli civilians in the West Bank, I am open to exploring alternative titles. WikiJunkie (talk) 13:12, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I'd like to emphasize that, in my understanding, the term "Israeli" in this context is intended to encompass all citizens of Israel, including all Arab citizens of Israel (some of whom identify as Palestinians) that represent 21% of Israel's population. (I understand now that some of the people in this discussion might have mistakenly thought that this population is not included in the scope of the article). WikiJunkie (talk) 13:34, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
 * So why didn't you name the article as "List of terrorist incidents in Israel" and faithfully reflect the sources in the use of the terrorism label? That would be more of a NPOV approach, as the article scope would include also far-right terrorism, Jewish religious extremism, terrorist acts perpetrated by Israeli settlers, and so on (although the issue of MOS:TERRORIST would still remain). — kashmīrī  TALK  12:14, 25 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep. Amply sourced article. If there are MOS concerns, they can be dealt with. We don't tackle MOS concerns by deleting articles. Coretheapple (talk) 22:09, 20 February 2024 (UTC)'
 * Delete the sourcing arguments would be valid if any of the sources actually dealt with a subject like "List of terrorist incidents against Israelis in Israel and the Palestinian territories in 2023". They are, however, just news reports about individual terrorist attacks and so this list fails WP:NLIST. AryKun (talk) 13:06, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete The whole idea (and praxis!) of the list is racist: why incidents only against “Israelis”, and not against other sorts of people? Either you make a list of attacks against [any sort of] people, or you don’t make a list at all. Such a ‘general’ list however is very much work, which no one will volunteer to undertake – also because it is ‘trivial’ and therefore hardly interesting (in encyclopedic sense): we all know, a sort of (civil) war is going on, there, and in a war, violent attacks are normal – unfortunately. --Corriebertus (talk) 15:40, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per . Does not pass NLIST, which requires that the grouping itself be notable. This has not been shown per the sources used in the article. popo dameron  ⁠ talk  18:16, 21 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom and AryKun and Corriebertus. Jebiguess (talk) 22:21, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per and . Article is also currently a MOS:TERRORIST minefield, as many of the sources do not appear to directly describe these incidents as terrorism or the perpetrators as terrorists. The edits required to fix this issue would leave an arbitrary list of attacks against Israelis, worsening the WP:NLIST issues.


 * Article has since been edited to remove "terrorist" titles which, as mentioned, further worsens the WP:NLIST issues. The article is now a WP:NPOV disaster. It only appears to mention violent attacks committed, or allegedly committed, by Palestinians, Arab Israelis, and foreigners from a limited number of countries. The article contains no explanation for this distinction. Ertal72 (talk) 02:00, 25 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep - widely sourced. There are problems to fix, but try to WP:PRESERVE content instead of deleting. – (talk) 23:46, 21 February 2024 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE. ✗ plicit  14:40, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
 * WP:PRESERVE requires the content to meet the three core content policies, however the discussion here is that two out of these three policies are likely not met and so PRESERVE is not applicable. — kashmīrī  TALK  08:53, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete. I am persuaded by the points made citing MOS:TERRORIST and WP:NLIST, articulated by kashmīrī and AryKun. I tend to be sympathetic to WP:PRESERVE, but here there are policy issues with the premises (terrorist framing and a focus on a single nationality in a geographic area rather than the geographic area in general). P-Makoto (she/her) (talk) 02:38, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and AryKun and Corriebertus. This violates WP:NPOV and is not an encyclopedia or a notable list. Also delete List of violent attacks against Israelis in Israel and the Palestinian territories in 2022 and List of violent attacks against Israelis in Israel and the Palestinian territories in 2024.Vinegarymass911 (talk) 15:47, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete This original research list has so many problems, starting with the obtuse title, the incidents which aren't even described as terrorism in their sources and the serious NPOV issue that it's not worth saving. AusLondonder (talk) 19:10, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete - inherently violates MOS:TERRORIST.  starship .paint  (RUN) 06:43, 25 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Comment: Based on the feedback on this page so far I decided to do several changes to the content of the article: (1) I have changed the name of the article to "List of terrorist incidents in Israel in 2023" (2) I have changed the lead so that it is made clear that the scope of the article should encompass the most prominent terrorist incidents against innocent civilian populations within Israel and the Israeli settlements during 2023 including both far-right terrorism, Jewish extremist terrorism and Palestinian political violence. including acts of Jewish extremist terrorism within Israel and the Israeli settlements (3) I have started the article List of terrorist incidents in the Palestinian territories which is linked in the lead of this article and would focus on the most prominent terrorist incidents carried out by Jewish extremists and settlers against innocent civilian populations within the Palestinian territories. WikiJunkie (talk) 00:02, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
 * While I plan on further improving and expanding these articles in the following days (also based on the additional feedback from the page), in order for these articles to be as comprehensive, accurate and balanced as possible I plan to also invite editors from the Palestine and Israel Wikiprojects to participate in a collaborative effort aimed at elevating the quality of these articles as much as possible. WikiJunkie (talk) 00:17, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
 * The list still has most of the problems outlined in OP. And as AryKun explains, the sourcing is just news reports about individual terrorist attacks and so this list fails WP:NLIST. P-Makoto (she/her) (talk) 19:17, 27 February 2024 (UTC)


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