Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of tests in the United States


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete. Content will live on for now at List of standardized tests in the United States (edit history will be preserved as I'll do a history merge). This discussion below does not indicate a consensus to delete any other test list articles and they will need to be nominated separately if people still want them deleted. W.marsh 21:00, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

List of tests in the United States

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This is an indiscriminate list of information that is better in smaller forms, i.e. List of standardized tests in the United States and List of admissions tests in the United States. WP should be accessible. - Freechild 17:39, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I am also nominating the following related page because after I created it another editor used it to fork the content of the original AfD; therefore, the same criteria apply to both pages. - Freechild 20:39, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * You made this page! Why are you nominating it for deletion? &mdash; Chris53516 (Talk) 21:08, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Because after I attempted to make useful the info from the first page up for AfD, you instigated an edit war in order to use the page to fork content from the original page up for AfD. Your interpretation of the list's purpose shows me the inanity of the list, so they both need to go. And please, be civil. - Freechild 16:51, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Because after I attempted to make useful the info from the first page up for AfD, you instigated an edit war in order to use the page to fork content from the original page up for AfD. Your interpretation of the list's purpose shows me the inanity of the list, so they both need to go. And please, be civil. - Freechild 16:51, 2 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Applying the same argument, I would like to nominate the following page as well. It is most certainly a fork, and it belongs here as well. &mdash; Chris53516 (Talk) 14:10, 4 June 2007 (UTC)


 * NOTE: The above article was added to this AfD as a vendetta; see this for more info. – Freechild (Hey ya. | edits) 00:04, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * This was NOT added as a vendetta! I can't believe you! You forked this article and it belongs here. &mdash; Chris53516 (Talk) 13:56, 5 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Your definition of a standardized test does not match the true definition. Standardized tests include admissions tests and tests created by private entities, such as the ACT and SAT. I do not mind your title for the page, but it misrepresents what standardized tests are. And another thing, if you even had the slightest bit of respect for other users, you would have discussed this change first before just moving things around. Perhaps then I would have agreed with you without argument. &mdash; Chris53516 (Talk) 17:56, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: See No Child Left Behind for the commonly-accepted American usage of the term. - Freechild 18:06, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Response: That definition is specific only to the discussion of the act, not for the general usage of the term. &mdash; Chris53516 (Talk) 18:00, 1 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletions.  -- Freechild 18:44, 1 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete This is so incredibly indiscriminate...not much else to say. &mdash; Gaff ταλκ 20:07, 1 June 2007 (UTC)


 * This discussion is actually pointless because List of standardized tests in the United States now has the same information. Had User:Freechild explained his/her desired edits, this page discussion would not need to exist. &mdash; Chris53516 (Talk) 20:12, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment After reviewing the content of List of tests in the United States, I revised the parameters by creating the new List of standardized tests in the United States. However, the contents of this list were soon forked to mirror List of tests in the United States. I have refined the contents further to make the list usable as List of standardized tests for grade schools in the United States. Merger tags have been placed on that page and List of admissions tests in the United States to bring them into List of standardized tests in the United States. All of these mergers further violate WP:WAI, and unfortunately demonstrate the inanity of lists. - Freechild 20:24, 1 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete why don't I add the physics test I took today to that list? Pointless, and too broad a category. Whsitchy 20:26, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Exactly... I have also taken a driver's test, a vision test (at my eye doctor). As a physician, I have tested several people as well for Chlamydia...thy is that not on this absurd list? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gaff (talk • contribs)

Comment Category:Standardized tests does a better job than this list can. - Freechild 21:35, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: My intent with the list was for "standardized test", not just any test. I was trying to be concise with the title, but apparently it was too concise and became too general. When Freechild changed the page to "standardized test", I restored the old page because he deleted content based on a faulty definition of "standardized test". I did not mind the new title, just the fact that he deleted content. He limited the definition of "standardized test" to only NCLB-mandated state tests, which is clearly disregarding the definition and history of the standardized test. Freechild has taken part of the new page and created List of standardized tests for grade schools in the United States, which is obviously a fork and deserves mention on this page. I believe a list of standardized tests in the United States would be a useful addition to Wikipedia, for other users to find examples of tests and a complete list of the state tests. The content is listed in List of standardized tests in the United States serves that purpose. &mdash; Chris53516 (Talk) 16:15, 4 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment This should probably have not gone to AfD, as it is apparently a dispute between two users, Freechild and Christ53516, about which list should stay and which should go and what should be included in each list. In my opinion, the information would be useful somewhere, but you guys need to sort out where, and should do that on the appropriate talk pages. But, I do think the article name List of tests in the United States is confusingly vauge, so that should either be a redirect to a better named article or just deleted (see below). The other names seem to be reasonable and should be kept or merged. DHowell 00:36, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Histmerge After looking over the respective page histories, it appears Freechild did a cut-and-paste move of content instead of a proper move. Do a WP:HISTMERGE of List of tests in the United States into List of standardized tests in the United States and keep everything else. Both parties agree that the original name was bad and the new name is better, although still do not agree on proper scope of each list. Disputes about what should be included in which list should be on their respective talk pages, using WP:RFC, not WP:AFD, to get more community input. DHowell 01:15, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I agree. I thought this whole thing was rather ridiculous. &mdash; Chris53516 (Talk) 14:22, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * After looking at the histmerge page, I'm not sure that's the best way to handle it. I think a redirect would be the simplest answer. If I understand correctly, we would have to delete the "List of standardized..." then move "List of tests..." even though it doesn't have the correct content anymore? That doesn't make sense to me. &mdash; Chris53516 (Talk) 14:30, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * A redirect should be fine too, since the comment in the edit histories gives proper attribution to the copy-pasted content. What should NOT happen (and I hope the closing admin will take this into account), is for List of tests in the United States to be deleted and List of standardized tests in the United States to be kept, without doing a hist-merge. Doing so could be a violation of the GFDL. DHowell 19:26, 8 June 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.