Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of the Heads of the House of Plantagenet


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Speedy delete per CSD:G4 and G5. Stifle (talk) 11:38, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

List of the Heads of the House of Plantagenet

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OR,POV fork,created by sock puppet of banned user Agricolae (talk) 02:51, 20 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I forgot to mention that the material not on the House of Plantagenet or House of York pages is the same material already AfD under a different name, as Articles for deletion/Heads of the House of York, and that the 'List' does not have a corresponding page Heads of the House of Plantagenet, as is supposed to be the case with lists. Agricolae (talk) 03:03, 20 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions.   —Agricolae (talk) 03:03, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions.   —Agricolae (talk) 03:03, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * G5 as creation of a sock of a banned user, unless I'm misunderstanding G5. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 03:08, 20 November 2008 (UTC) Strong delete PoV fork, created by sock of banned user.  Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 03:11, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete I understand the policy-- "Any edits made in defiance of a ban may be reverted to enforce the ban, regardless of the merits of the edits themselves. As the banned user is not authorized to make those edits, there is no need to discuss them prior to reversion."; and I realize that that's unquestionably a ground for a delete. But I've got to ask, however, what is this a fork of?  In other words, is there a similar page that trails the House of Plantagenet after King Richard III?  Mandsford (talk) 03:35, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Long story, but as best I can follow it: The page Britain's Real Monarch was (before that part was edited out) a POV fork of the 'true' right to inherit the throne of England, based on WP:FRINGE speculation and redefinition of the rules of inheritance made by a UK uni prof who managed to get his theory picked up for a BBC special. The line is still to be found at Alternate successions of the English crown. The Plantagenet page (and the deleted Heads of the House of York page) present an alternative theory of who should be heir, given that the initial assumption of the first POV fork was right, but then applying different (arbitrary) rules in a subsequent generation. After first putting this forward as an alternative right to succeed to the throne, the creator shifted arguments and suggested that the rights to head the House of York, and to inherit the family's claims, diverged, and the Head of the House of York page was created to show this. Since the House of York was part of the House of Plantagenet, a second page was created showing the same people as heirs to the Plantagenets, but the sole reason for this page is to present an alternative POV to the Real Monarch claim. Agricolae (talk) 04:20, 20 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom and discussion. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:06, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Ugh, this again. Clearly WP:OR. I can't see the York article as I'm not an admin, but based on Agricolae's comments it sounds like Speedy delete G4 (recreation of deleted material). Stephen Turner (Talk) 08:19, 20 November 2008 (UTC)


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