Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of the shortest rivers


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. That's the consensus even after discounting the blocked nominator and their socks.  Sandstein  11:01, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

List of the shortest rivers

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WP:NOTMIRROR, WP:NOTDIRECTORY. The vast majority of these have no source, no context, and aren't even important enough to be discussed in the article on the river itself. Luckily the list is very incomplete, as the world has more than 10,000 rivers apparently. Alverado (talk) 07:56, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Lists. Alverado (talk) 07:56, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Entirely unsourced and without context or indications to a degree of comprehensiveness or meaning. Looking at some of these on the map, there's a real stretch for what actually constitutes a river versus a creek or channel or how human development like dams contribute. I mean a record claimant D River may be more accurately called a drainage ditch. Reywas92Talk 13:27, 19 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete. I really don't see the point of this article. Should we also have lowest mountains, smallest hamlets, and narrowest cycle paths?  There are no reliable sources discussing shortest rivers or constructing lists of them.  Of the two references in the article, both are refs for specific rivers, one is blatant WP:SYNTH to extract the length, and the other does not give the length (only the length of the falls) and makes no claim to be one of the world's shortest rivers. SpinningSpark 13:38, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
 * That's a slippery slope argument which is a logical fallacy. See also WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS --  Green  C  22:27, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Poor sourcing, arbitrary selection AFAIK. A random and very, very odd thing. But delete it anyway. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 14:32, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
 * How does this apply here? Dronebogus (talk) 10:53, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep I was looking for information about rivers, and, despite its incompleteness, this (and Articles for deletion/Flags of counties of the United States and Articles for deletion/Fiction set in the 21st century) was one of the best sources I could find. Reworking it to be more encyclopedic or moving it to another wiki might work, but as it is it was already useful to me. 116.206.12.63 (talk) 14:56, 19 October 2022
 * IMO this single Keep trumps all. Yes there is WP:USEFUL to consider and a rationale is given: nothing else like it exists, and it has demonstrated social value to one user, and a check of the page views shows many others at least 50 per day for years on end have gained value from it. --  Green  C  22:25, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
 * IMO this single Keep trumps all. Yes there is WP:USEFUL to consider and a rationale is given: nothing else like it exists, and it has demonstrated social value to one user, and a check of the page views shows many others at least 50 per day for years on end have gained value from it. --  Green  C  22:25, 21 October 2022 (UTC)


 * delete The fact that Guinness has given up on the "record" should tell us something, as should the many contradictions within the article. It's impossible to compile a meaningful list. Mangoe (talk) 15:38, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment This article could be transformed into a redirect to list of the shortest rivers of the world by continents. The pages then explain the meanings of the shortest river. An example would be: A user goes to this page, chooses "List of the shortest rivers of Asia" then scrolls to Indonesia, which has the length and the meaning of the Tamborasi River. The user is also able to see meanings and other information for other rivers in Asia that have one. Alverado (talk) 08:41, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete It can be covered somewhere else with a section or a paragraph. Azuredivay (talk) 08:46, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the Article Rescue Squadron's list of content for rescue consideration. Alverado (talk) 09:41, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete completely arbitrary. A ditch is not a river just because you say it is for a made up record. Dronebogus (talk) 10:56, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete as TNT. A sourced list should be rebuilt from scratch to replace this unsourced one, if possible. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 19:58, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Due to the reasoning described by SpinningSpark. MrsSnoozyTurtle 21:37, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep As noted in my comment to 116.206.12.63 above the list is useful for good reasons/rational. The sourcing is trivial to fix, every river has basic length information available online somewhere. We have shortest rivers and longest rivers, do we show bias to long rivers only? Inclusion criteria is simple to fix with talk page discussions.  --  Green  C  22:33, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete what we have here at present is a total mess that ignores the vast majority of rivers actually with this list. There is potential for exploring the changing ideas of what the shortest rivers would be like and how this has been expressed in this list. We would need sourcing to prose articles that discuss this, not just original research directly connecting to the world's shortest rivers that depict this. To keep this we would need actual reliable source sourcing which we currently lack. Do not get me started on how irregular it is to treat this as a sub-set of a mess of heavily unsourced list. 180.214.233.67 (talk) 00:19, 22 October 2022 (UTC) SpinningSpark 09:43, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Rework/retitle per some of the discussion in the article talk. I would support something similar to what I suggested there, with the current article moved to "list of the rivers claimed to be the shortest" and a new article for the list of the shortest rivers potentially created (or maybe not, as that would probably turn into listcruft), or else a merge into a broader "list of the shortest rivers" type article, such as suggested on my talk page (ping him into this discussion as he seems to have interest). 180.214.233.67 (talk) 00:26, 22 October 2022 (UTC)   SpinningSpark 09:43, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
 * You get one !vote. It looks like you !voted twice. --  Green  C  04:47, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Note This has now been canvassed (to both A) a partisan audience and B) with a partisan message) to the Article Rescue Squadron page (with a very non-neutral "I mean this list is very incomplete in 2014, and it was not continued in the same year."). Alverado (talk) 04:49, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Mellohi! It is a fact. Your distinction doesn't change the problem. See Articles for deletion/List of Mexican municipal flags The link speaks for itself. Your gratuitous and unwarranted canvassed claim at the deletion page is b.s. I have no illusions that this posting will change the outcome. No one showed up. But you can spread your poison. Alverado (talk) 05:07, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Alverado, you are the one who posted at ARS. Now your saying your post there is canvassing, and your post is very non-netural? It makes no sense. --  Green  C  05:21, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't think the two ideas are incompatible (TNT-delete the original article, and write a rescoped one as a successor). — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 07:15, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Claiming that two participants is "no one showed up" is being rather plainly economical with the truth. There was neither A) a need to ask for more participation with a non-neutral message; nor B) post it to a specific partisan group (speaking of "no illusions", I have absolutely no illusions about the Article Retention Squad). Nothing is going to stop me (talk) 14:59, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
 * No one from WP:ARS. (Except sleepy amphbian, who hangs out at ARS, and showed up to vote/support/discuss delete – take your pick).  You choose to misquote and misunderstand.  Deliberately or not.  Dona nobis pacem indeed. Nothing is going to stop me (talk) 14:59, 25 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment This information may be better suited on a draft namespace. Note that being too long is never a valid excuse to delete something. Any section for a continent that was long enough could be split off into a different article. Alverado (talk), 07:27, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete If we can say something substantive about the rivers in the articles on the shortest rivers it can be done there. There is no justification for this list article. 180.214.233.76 (talk), 08:15, 22 October 2022 (UTC) Spinning</b><b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b> 09:43, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete This list is just a listcruft, and must be deleted in October 27, 2022. 180.214.233.76 (talk), 12:10, 24 October 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.214.233.81 (talk)   <b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b><b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b>
 * Delete I originally suggested moving a few months back. I agree that it could have some use, but "shortest river" is far too arbitrary to be encyclopedic, imo. Eridian314 (talk) 15:34, 24 October 2022 (UTC)


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