Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of totalitarian regimes


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The result was keep while conceding that the criteria for inclusion needs to be beefed up and better defined. There does not appear to be a sense that this deficiency is enough to justify deletion. See also WP:FIXIT. Ad Orientem (talk) 03:01, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

List of totalitarian regimes

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This article only sources one of these on the list and I'm not even sure you can even consider that sourced country totalitarian (not saying Venezuela isn't a dictatorship though). The problem is that it violates WP:NPOV and there are no other sources. Yes, some of them may seem obvious but others are a matter of opinion and we shouldn't just label countries as "totalitarian" unless used with caution which this article fails to do. I requested this be deleted before but the deletion template was removed. I am still not seeing why this page should continue to be on Wikipedia so I am requesting its deletion on accounts of violating WP:NPOV, WP:V and WP:AD. The Ninja5 Empire ( Talk ) 06:18, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. PriceDL (talk) 06:45, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. PriceDL (talk) 06:45, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

So if its incomplete ,Fully scrapping this article isn't the best way to solving the errors in the article. Gregorius Deretius 09:26 12 january 2018(UTC)
 * 'Keep':altought this article has some inconsitencies ,i oppose the deletion,because as the article says in one topic "this list is incomplete".
 * Delete. I do not believe that there are any objective enough criteria by which Wikipedia can label a regime as totalitarian or not in its own voice. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 10:56, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep, but provide adequate sourcing. There are numerous books that can be used for sourcing this list, such as this, this, that one, or that. Of course some sources can be found on other pages, such as Totalitarianism, but they should be used here. My very best wishes (talk) 21:38, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't doubt that there are many sources that provide lists of totalitarian countries, but do they agree on any objective criteria for saying that they are totalitarian? Within any article about an individual regime we can discuss, using WP:DUE, how totalitarian it is or was based on the reliable source coverage, but inclusion on a list is a binary thing, so requires Wikipedia to make its own judgement as to whether a regime is/was totalitarian or not. I have still not seen any objective criteria by which we can make that judgement. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 22:21, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Sources disagree on everything. But your are right that criteria for the list should be included. By the rules this list should include all countries described in reliable secondary RS as "totalitarian" during a certain period of their existence. There is obviously an agreement of RS that USSR, Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy were totalitarian countries. Looking at the books above, one can see a number of additional specific examples, such as Democratic Kampuchea (arguably even a more "totalitarian" country than others), etc. There is no problem to include them with in-line references. My very best wishes (talk) 22:33, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Lankiveil (speak to me) 01:45, 20 January 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.