Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of tuberculosis victims


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The result was keep. John254 16:42, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

List of tuberculosis victims

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Delete This topic do not deserve for a encyclopedic article. This article documents the name of some notable people who died from tuberculosis. But such list is unencyclopedic. Firstly, tuberculosis is not a serious disease like AIDS, Anorexia nervosa etc. If we want to create lists of people died due to a particular disease, then numerous such trivial lists can be created, like List of malaria victims, List of fracture victims, List of gastroenterotitis victims, List of pancreatitis victims. list of colitis victims etc. etc. If we create such list after lists of all the diseases mentioned in medical science, then wikipedia will not become encyclopedia, but some "Do you know" or "Quiz" or "Believe it or not" type website. Secondly, as I have told above that tuberculosis is not a serious disease like AIDS (at least due to the advancement in medical science), hence list of tuberculosis victims cannot become an article. There may be articles like "List of AIDS victims" or "List of Bird Flu victims" because AIDS or Bird Flu are serious disease now, compared to tuberculosis. In wikipedia there are articles like List of deaths from anorexia nervosa, List of deaths by accidental drug overdose etc. because the cause of death is a serious issue in today's medical science and society. But tuberculosis or malaria etc. numerous diseases are not. Hence I am nominating this unencyclopedic article for deletion. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 16:22, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Rename Strong Keep. Changed my mind ;). This is a decent list, and it would be a shame to waste the efforts of all those that have contributed to it thusfar. Alloranleon (talk) 00:06, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Please see Lists (stand-alone lists): "The name or title of the list should simply be List of _ _ (for example list of Xs). Do not use a title like: Xs, famous Xs, listing of important Xs, list of notable Xs, nor list of all Xs." A  ecis Brievenbus 17:43, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Secondly, as I have told above that tuberculosis is not a serious disease like AIDS (at least due to the advancement in medical science), hence list of tuberculosis victims cannot become an article. What utter nonsence. It is a serious disease to those who died from it!  Yes, it may not be a common way to die in the developed world of today, but that's no reason to remove it.  So if a cure for AIDS is found tomorrow, then the afformentioned list should be removed?  This article provides some historical context to the way we lived.  Also, this list doesn't need to be renamed.  It doesn't need the qualifier "famous" or "celebrity" as anyone on that list should have their notability already asserted. Lugnuts (talk) 17:59, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. I created this article, quite a few years ago.  Whether "tuberculosis is not a serious disease" or not seems almost beside the point, although I note that a lot of people seem to have died of it.  More importantly, tuberculosis was, for want of a better word, a cultural phenomenon.  Many, many literary and creative figures had it.  It is reflected in their works, which cannot be put into context today without some notion of its sheer prevalence.  Susan Sontag's Illness as Metaphor contains an extended discussion.  - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 18:00, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment. Note also that the page was started at List of famous tuberculosis victims and has been moved here in the interim. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 18:02, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Rename per Alloranleon Strong Keep. It seems incredibly creul and short-sighted to believe that, simply because tuberculosis is not a major cause of death today, it's not a significant cause of death. It is very notable since thousands died from it, particularly in the late ninteenth/early twentieth centuries. -- Redfarmer (talk) 18:18, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: Changing my vote to strong keep. By the way, are you serious about maleria not being a serious killer today? Last I checked, you still have to get a maleria vaccine to travel to many parts of Africa in order to, well, not get it and die. -- Redfarmer (talk) 22:31, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: Sorry, there's no effective vaccine for malaria yet. The parasite's complex life cycle makes it hard to target.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 09:07, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Please read the link I provided in response to Alloranleon. The naming conventions quite clearly state that the names of articles, lists, templates, categories etc. should not contain words like "notable", "famous", etcetera. Remove those words from his proposal, and you end up with its current title. A  ecis Brievenbus 18:29, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep "Firstly, tuberculosis is not a serious disease like AIDS, Anorexia nervosa etc." Are you serious?  Do you know anything about the history of this disease or, indeed, its current drug resistant resurgence?  That's the single silliest thing I've ever read on Wikipedia.  Doesn't the long list of notable people who've died of it tell you that it's been a major cause of death? The Anorexia list, which you seem quite happy with, has all of seven names on it. Nick mallory (talk) 19:59, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I've just noticed the claim that Malaria isn't an important disease either. It would be hard to think of two diseases which have wreaked more effect on humanity throughout recorded history.  I seriously urge the nominator to read up about these subjects, rather than seek to delete information about them. Nick mallory (talk) 10:40, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment. I'd say we have consensus here. Anyone for fast-tracking the closing of this proposal? Alloranleon (talk) 20:20, 1 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep per Nick mallory...nothing more to say. Tim Q. Wells (talk) 21:15, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, a major killer throughout human history. It is only because of medical advances in the last 150 years that it has been overtaken by diseases like cancer, which tend to kill later in life. The treatment up until almost WWII was sanitorium care which greatly affected the lifestyle of the afflicted, including many artists for whom this became a defining event. --Dhartung | Talk 22:08, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment The above is a good argument for keeping Tuberculosis, but not for keeping this list. Emeraude (talk) 22:33, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It is a good argument against the nomination rationale, when he said "Firstly, tuberculosis is not a serious disease like AIDS, Anorexia nervosa etc." Tim Q. Wells (talk) 23:08, 1 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep Reading that tuberculosis was once the #1 infectious disease killer in the world (now second to AIDS with malaria #3) did not impact me as much as seeing a list of the many people listed in Wikipedia whose lives were shortened or deeply affected by this disease. Petersam (talk) 05:48, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, but... Keep the article because of the tremendous impact of this disease in shortening the lives of so many prominent people. BUT it needs much improvement, including (1) references to sources and (2) more information about how these people were affected by TB. There was a lot of good content in Tuberculosis in history and art as of 2 August 2007 that got removed when that article was renamed to Tuberculosis in art; that content should be moved into this article. Meanwhile, this article may have some spurious content -- for example, the Wikipedia articles on Lord Byron and W.C. Fields say nothing about TB or consumption -- maybe they did have TB, but the situation illustrates the fact that sourcing is needed in order to help weed out spurious entries. --Orlady (talk) 04:17, 5 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep I came to this article because I was looking for the information. The references look strong. What can I say, people search for weird stuff on the interwebs. Wiki should have the answers. Contributer did a great job. --nescio quid dicas (talk) 12:50, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per Nick Mallory and a disease that affects | two billion people with nine million cases becoming active each year is a serious health concern. -- Sandahl  00:49, 6 January 2008 (UTC)


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