Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of universities in East Java


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   merge to List of universities in Indonesia.  Sandstein  06:49, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

List of universities in East Java

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Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information Davidelit (talk) 07:10, 30 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Merge into List of universities in Indonesia if appropriate else keep. Such a list is not indiscriminate, and is an established genre: see List of universities and colleges by country. Ros0709 (talk) 07:35, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge into List of universities in Indonesia. Neither article is too large.  Brusegadi (talk) 08:08, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge - nominator has the correct idea. East Java is not a country, rather it is one of 33 provinces of Indonesia. Do we need a list for each province? I suggest not. --Merbabu (talk) 11:29, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  14:21, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  14:21, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge, but without prejudice toward re-creation if the list was to grow large. At the moment it seems more prudent to have a single list, but in the future perhaps individual articles (hopefully more than just lists) could be created for each province. CRGreathouse (t | c) 17:53, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge per reasoning by CRGreathouse. TerriersFan (talk) 19:22, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete first preference- as the likelihood of any possible benefit to the main Country list of a bunch of red links is of no benefit to the Indonesian project which is clogged up with lists of red and grey links - Merge seems pointless SatuSuro 12:56, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment half of the List of universities in Indonesia is about to be deleted/removed due to the listcruft habit of adding red links of names and blue links of locations - pointless items in such lists - to add another bunch of red links is misguided SatuSuro 13:13, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Page is well organised, while List of universities in Indonesia is an often erroneous dump, with no sorting; however the Indonesian version of that page is very well organised. Ultimately that's what we are looking for. But I wouldn't want to delete List of universities in East Java without merging it into List of universities in Indonesia; though I'm tempted to simply replace List of universities in Indonesia with it's Indonesian version Nfitz (talk) 21:52, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment This is English wikipedia- and the WP EN Indonesian project has serious issues with redlinks lists that are never touched after they are created - hence whether organisation appeals is not a point to consider here - to cross link between WP IN and WP EN is a serious error and should not be part of an Afd conversation - there are tiotally different rationales as to the use of WP:N, WP:V, and WP:RS between the two projects and even if thge WP IN has an ideal list - if anyone every suggest cross linking or uitilising WP:IN project pages - there are major issues that would have be hammering out SatuSuro 05:28, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I never said I was going to cross-link the projects - I'm not sure where that's coming from; I'd think that would be a big no-no. Simply the content. The current article is a mess, and it seems a shame to delete List of universities in East Java when it could be used to improve List of universities in Indonesia Nfitz (talk) 22:19, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: A general response to Nfitz’s suggestion to populate EN articles with ID information - if that is indeed his suggestion – would be that this should be rejected as strongly as possible. Such action has been the bane of Indonesia articles on EN for years, and remains a serious and fundamental flaw. Standards of referencing, notability and writing are minimal (non-existent?) over at ID, and by no means should this be (further) encouraged here. The 3 or 4 significant and consistent editors on the Indonesia articles are in no position to remove the existing mess across several 1000 articles, much less deal with new. And it is only 3 or 4 editors that are consistent and have use the standards expected – it is not like the US or Australia articles, for example, where there are many editors to draw upon. I also concur with SatuSuro's point that list of redlinks are never going to be created, let alone reliably referenced. Much less still maintained.--Merbabu (talk) 06:48, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: Replacing any EN articles with the IN versions would set a very bad precedent indeed, and could result in the Indonesia articles resembling a scrapbook with redlinks leading to empty pages (that will never get written anyway), a consequent lack of interest, decline in credibility and ultimately serious damage to the whole Indonesia project. Davidelit (talk) 08:10, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge into List of universities in Indonesia. What's here is better organised, and it would be a shame to lose it. Nfitz (talk) 22:20, 4 July 2008 (UTC)


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