Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of university-educated footballers


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The result was   delete. Nja 247 08:05, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

List of university-educated footballers

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This turns out to be a list representing a very unusual cross-categorization which, in my opinion, fails WP:NOT. In addition, due to its own definition, it is hardly maintainable due to serious potential issues with WP:V and WP:RS. See also Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football for a more thorough discussion about its notability. Angelo (talk) 08:02, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. Club Oranje T 08:29, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Trivial intersection, education has no bearing on notability of a footballer. List is generally non verifiable as information regarding whether a player is higher educated is not readily available. List likely to become overly large if proper research is done into it - 90 000 plus articles on footballers, it is not unreasonable to assume that 10% of them are educated, particularly in parts of the world where they do not earn millions of dollars a year and they'll require a living after their football career. List will only ever be a partial information snippet of no reliable value. A list of this sort will not reliably tell me if  has a degree.-- Club Oranje T 08:22, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Very much a trivial intersection. пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  08:51, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Trivia  G  ain  Line    ♠  ♥ 09:03, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - Trivia. Shadowjams (talk) 09:26, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, pure trivia. GiantSnowman 11:25, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Per nom. Also pretty funny, in that all U.S. "footballers" playing professional U.S. football attended some college. Any who went from high school to professional football would be quite unusual, and have considerable press coverage of the fact. Edison (talk) 15:11, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Bryan Arguez? Signed a pro contract at 18, doubt he went to college...GiantSnowman 11:14, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The most famous example is Otis Sistrunk ("from the University of Mars" was just a joke). Deor (talk) 16:49, 30 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  -- TexasAndroid (talk) 15:20, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and WP:SNOW. Highest Heights (talk) 17:16, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. In the United Kingdom, at least, it is extremely rare for any professional footballer to have had a university education, and it is something that is remarked upon. I don't have time to look for sources at the moment, but I'm sure that before the seven days of discussion are up I'll be able to find some that show that this is a notable subject, so please don't use WP:SNOW when none of the delete !voters above have given any indication that they have looked for sources and failed to find them. As an aside, I'm surprised that Albert Camus and Karol Wojtyła are missing from the list. Phil Bridger (talk) 20:14, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Further comment. Here's an article in the Daily Telegraph that confirms that this is a noted subject. I see that the writer came up with the same two examples as I did of very notable people that fit this criterion - I don't often find myself agreeing with Boris Johnson, but we seem to think alike on this subject. Phil Bridger (talk) 20:34, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment There is likely to be an article on every subject somewhere, but that doesn't mean it is practical or even desired to have a list of every occurrence, it just becomes listcruft. Can you reliably verify which of these people have ed-quals? when you have done that, step up to these people, and keep going until you have done all those listed under these subcategories, because that is what it takes to make this reliable information - and if it can't be reliable information, it should not be included in an encyclopaedia. Having a university education is not in and of itself notable, and therefore it usually isn't noted. Where it is by exception add it to the players' articles-- Club Oranje T 21:22, 31 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete. Trivia. --Carioca (talk) 21:17, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
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