Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of unreleased Lady Gaga songs (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:40, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

List of unreleased Lady Gaga songs
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WP:INDISCRIMINATE, WP:FANCRUFT. Other than PerezHilton.com (a blog), the only other sources are from the BMI repertoire which do nothing but prove that these songs in fact exist. –Chase (talk / contribs) 19:12, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 19:37, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
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 * Delete, possibly speedy this may qualify under CSD:G4 as page that was deleted per a deletion discussion. Even if it doesn't, this list still fails WP:N as pointed out in the previous AfD. Till 01:46, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep Seriously? If whomever deletes this article, please delete all articles similar to this such as List of unreleased Cher songs, List of unreleased Britney Spears songs, List of unreleased songs by Nicole Scherzinger, and every other article listed under the unreleased category on Wikipedia.--MrIndustry (talk) 01:57, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Please see WP:WAX, and most of those articles should also be considered for deletion due to poor sourcing. –Chase (talk / contribs) 02:14, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
 * This article isn't poorly sourced at all. It might be a nutshell of information all in one, but the general public does not know how to search a song database, which is why majority of these articles exist. If you search for an unreleased song, Wikipedia will come up, not BMI, ASCAP, ISWC. People can't find this bulk of information without knowing where to look.--MrIndustry (talk) 03:03, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
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 * Delete per the still valid reasoning from the first AFD. -- Whpq (talk) 16:15, 24 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep Seriously? All these other artists have unreleased song pages, this page just needs to be cleaned up a bit. DON'T DELETE IT.-talk:MrIndustry|talk]]) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.38.160.204 (talk) 18:06, 24 July 2012 (UTC)  — 68.38.160.204 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Keep There are plenty of sources on the internet discussing Lady Gaga's unreleased discography, just because they're not in the article yet doesn't mean they don't exist and can't be added. Since this discussion was started you can see sources have been added, not just from blog websites either, and I'm pretty sure if someone wanted more you'd just have to do a quick search to find more.92.238.200.254 (talk) 12:38, 25 July 2012 (UTC) — 92.238.200.254 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Delete. At what point do a bunch of unreleased songs get mentioned enough in the press to gain notabilility? Very rarely and apparently not this time. Hint. I note there is no List of Lady Gaga songs which could include the contents of this article.--Richhoncho (talk) 08:24, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Bushranger One ping only 01:30, 29 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete An awful lot of WP:WAX / WP:OTHERCRAP arguments; "This got this so that should be this and this should be that because that got this..." Comparisons/arguments of this nature fail the Wiki test.  A list of Lady Gaga's "unreleased" material is therefore distinctly WP:NN. Ren99 (talk) 10:37, 29 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment - Pure OR, being based upon BMI licensing applications and such. Is there any published sourcing whatsoever to make this list verifiable? That said, one of the great things about WP is its ultra-cruftastic coverage of popular culture... So if this is kept under IAR, I wouldn't cry. Carrite (talk) 16:24, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment. I would be happy to accept BMI as verifiable source. However, BMI does not signify whether a song is recorded in a version that is "releaseable," which pretty much drives a coach and horses through the article title and the contents.--Richhoncho (talk) 12:03, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
 * These are unreleased songs. They're not really meant to be releaseable. Anything that's on BMI/ASCAP/SESAC/ISCW is a song. That's what this list is.--MrIndustry (talk) 15:01, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
 * No, the PROs have a piece of paper that claims that any royalties for performance should be paid to the persons named. --Richhoncho (talk) 16:32, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't get what you're saying? You're saying the song therefore exists. I use these databases every day for my job. They're reliable as can be.--MrIndustry (talk) 18:53, 30 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete An occasional reliable source mentions an unreleased song or two, and that's about it - there is no coverage of this as a group. The keepers here are mostly making unpersuasive 'other stuff exists' arguments. As to the remark that 'one of the great things about WP is its ultra-cruftastic coverage of popular culture' - no, just no. Nwlaw63 (talk) 20:11, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually my point was very valid.--MrIndustry (talk) 01:29, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
 * No it wasn't, all you said was 'seriously' and listed a bunch of other articles similar to this one (WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS). Till 01:58, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
 * You should try reading again.--MrIndustry (talk) 06:22, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
 * "Seriously? If whomever deletes this article, please delete all articles similar to this such as List of unreleased Cher songs, List of unreleased Britney Spears songs, List of unreleased songs by Nicole Scherzinger, and every other article listed under the unreleased category on Wikipedia." Till 10:01, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
 * "This article isn't poorly sourced at all. It might be a nutshell of information all in one, but the general public does not know how to search a song database, which is why majority of these articles exist. If you search for an unreleased song, Wikipedia will come up, not BMI, ASCAP, ISWC. People can't find this bulk of information without knowing where to look." Look at every comment before you state your opinion.--MrIndustry (talk) 14:58, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Even worse—whether it's useful because "the general public does not know how to search a song database" is irrelevant, because for a topic to be suitable and/or notable on Wikipedia, there must be significant coverage in independent, reliable sources. Till 15:18, 30 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete. An issue I have with this list is that, as Richhoncho noted above, the BMI sources establish only that a particular song was registered, not whether or not a song is unreleased ... which is the whole point of the article. Compare this list to List of unreleased Disney animated shorts and feature films, which has problems of its own, but at least books have been written on the subject. I'm not seeing where the topic of "unreleased Lady Gaga songs" has been discussed in detail, and I'm not finding information beyond BMI registration for individual songs either, with few exceptions (e.g., from the Perez Hilton/Huffington Post/Idolator blogs referenced in the article). All in all, I don't believe there's enough coverage to warrant a list at this time.  Gongshow  Talk 05:22, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
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