Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of unreleased Lana Del Rey songs


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. No prejudice toward a future merge discussion. Mark Arsten (talk) 04:14, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

List of unreleased Lana Del Rey songs

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 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Cliff Smith 17:39, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Cliff Smith 17:42, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Cliff Smith 17:42, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

This article is an WP:INDISCRIMINATE collection of this singer's unreleased songs, none of which are notable. The article cites Youtube and music databases as references—both of which do not establish notability. Any unreleased songs that have been discussed by reliable, secondary and independent sources can be mentioned on the relevant page such as the artist's discography or the album. Till 02:46, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete: Yes, please. This is exactly the argument I was putting forth when insisted that the content be included on Lana Del Rey discography, so I shunted everything off to this page just to get it off of the other one. It has no place on Wikipedia.— Ryulong  ( 竜龙 ) 02:53, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep: Unlike many artists Lana Del Rey consists of many personalities which came before Lana Del Rey. I believe these songs are notable because they showcase her musical personalities before she was Del Rey. Most people believe she's a debut artist with 15 songs and she's not - this list shows that. The list is far too long and detailed to keep on another page. Ryulong, that was not your opinion when you moved the section to "List of unreleased Lana Del Rey Songs". I even kept your comments on my talk. Feel free to check them again. :) --MrIndustry (talk) 03:23, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * First of all, what you believe is irrelevant here, and secondly, perhaps you should have a thorough read of WP:N. Songs aren't notable because they "showcase" an artist's musical personality, they can only be notable if discussed by secondary, reliable sources. Perhaps backing up your argument with policy would help for starters. Till 03:27, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I would just like to say "List of unreleased songs" are obviously welcome on Wikipedia due to the fact that List of unreleased Britney Spears songs being a featured article. Here's some independent sources.              I can get you even more if you would like. Tons of people use this page. It would be stupid to delete it.--MrIndustry (talk) 03:39, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Since the reference section messes it up here, I have moved all the new references to the article.--MrIndustry (talk) 06:20, 31 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Strong keep The article is a mess, but that's no reason to delete it. Each song appears to have a source beside it. How exactly can an unreleased song be notable? Unless it leaks of course, which most don't, as they are, you know, unreleased. I say that if an artist is notable and they have enough unreleased songs to warrant to fill up an article, then the article is appropriate. There appears to be hundreds of songs located in this article. There are two FLs of articles of a similar premise, List of unreleased Britney Spears and List of unreleased Michael Jackson material. Obviously both are on a higher level than Del Rey career wise, but that's rather irrelevant. Statυs  (talk) 01:53, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

*Delete Firstly I think the point is that "Sirens" was released, so the article can't make it's mind up whether it's released, unreleased or songs unreleased by "Del Rey" So the article is a mess before we start. Then we have the straight question, "Are unreleased songs notable?" The answer must be, generally "No." ("Are unofficially released songs notable?" is a completely different question). I am going to give the same hint as I did before, the unreleased songs contained in this article would fit very nicely in an article called List of songs recorded by Lana Del Rey. This way nothing is lost and, perhaps WP is improved! --Richhoncho (talk) 09:02, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Sirens was never released. You obviously didn't click the sources.--MrIndustry (talk) 15:11, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The WP article says, "This is the first album Grant released under the name May Jailer." Either it was released or it wasn't. This AfD is becoming a farce, I have said all I wish to say. --Richhoncho (talk) 15:30, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Well that's incorrect and needs to be changed. It was never released and was leaked.--MrIndustry (talk) 16:22, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * As "This is the first album Grant released under the name May Jailer" was added by MrIndustry with  this edit... --Richhoncho (talk) 18:34, 1 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep The artist is undoubtedly notable and this is an important element of her story - her varied back catalogue of songs that show her musical development before she became successful. There is also notability in how many songs that have not received an "official" release have leaked into the public domain. RGCorris (talk) 08:50, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * ...Both of which aren't valid reasons to keep an article. Till 09:15, 3 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Move page to List of songs recorded by Lana Del Rey, and expand to include songs that were released. Statυs ( talk ) 09:22, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I would be happy with that RGCorris (talk) 15:34, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The only complaint I have with this is that there's too much on one page. I believe that's why Britney & Michael (above) have separate pages.--MrIndustry (talk) 16:23, 3 August 2012 (UTC)


 * KeepI vote that we keep this page since I do think that it is notable. Many people use this page, including me. I also think that the unreleased songs should have their own page since there are so many of them. teammathi 13:02, 4 August 2012 (CET)
 * Comment. You need to explain this. If LDR is not notable/important enough to have a list of released songs, how can a list of unreleased songs be notable? If a list of recorded songs for LDR exists then this article should be merged unless/until WP:SIZE kicks in. --Richhoncho (talk) 11:32, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I do think LDR is notable but I have never seen a list of released songs for anybody. You can read up on the released songs in her discography and the unreleased songs should have their own page. teammathi 17:24, 4 August 2012 (CET)
 * There a couple of 100 at Category:Lists of songs by authors or performers, and, generally, you will note, that there is no "unreleased" article without a "released" article. Also note these are not the same as discographies which are list of records released, which is something totally different. --Richhoncho (talk) 16:21, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, sorry, I didn't see those. All right, then I agree to creating a list of released songs. teammathi 18:37, 4 August 2012 (CET)
 * I have started creating a List of Lana Del Rey songs. teammathi 18:51, 4 August 2012 (CET)
 * I believe this page should exist with released material.--MrIndustry (talk) 20:22, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I have created the page List of Lana Del Rey songs. teammathi 14:36, 6 August 2012 (CET)


 * Strong Keep: These unreleased songs are notable because Del Rey does perform unreleased songs at her concerts. She performed You Can Be The Boss at recent concerts because it was an outtake from Born To Die and the band knows how to play the song. I agree that the page is really messy and could be organised a little better but Britney Spears has a similar page: [|List of unreleased Britney Spears songs] so I don't see why Del Rey can't have one. I keep track of her unreleased music and I check back to this page often so it's definitely very helpful. Del Rey also mentioned that she was going to remake some of these songs and release them on a mix tape (though she announced that it was going to be delayed in favour of her new album release in November) so there is every chance that some of these songs will be re-incarnated and released sooner or later. Mpwilliams (talk) 00:43, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:ATA. None of these are valid reasons to keep the article. Till 02:24, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Till, can you give us a valid reason why List of unreleased Lana Del Rey songs should be deleted over Britney Spears' list? I'm trying to grasp why these lists are unacceptable, but her list is a featured page. Can you explain this to us?--MrIndustry (talk) 02:40, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
 * MrIndustry why should LDR be kept when List of unreleased Rihanna songs and others have been deleted? --Richhoncho (talk) 15:30, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
 * This question is redundant because I believe they shouldn't be deleted.--MrIndustry (talk) 17:33, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
 * What a cop out! However, the question is redundant - for exactly the same reason that your question related to Spears is. Since then, List of unreleased Lady Gaga songs and List of unreleased songs by Nicole Scherzinger have been deleted, amongst others. So the question is why should this list survive when precedent has been set? WP is an encyclopedia, not a place every piece of fancruft - and nobody has yet explained why this particular is list is generally notable. Oh yes, we have a few wishing to argue that it should be kept, but not one viable, realisable reason why it should be kept as a separate article. --Richhoncho (talk) 17:50, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I think that LDR's List of unreleased song shouldn't be deleted because those songs are very notable for her career. She still performs some of them and also plans to release some of them. That is why the page is notable and shouldn't be deleted. Very few people know about Lady Gaga's or Nicole Sherzinger's unreleased songs while LDR's unreleased songs are gaining more and more popularity. I for one, have never heard of any other artist's unreleased songs. teammathi 20:34, 6 August 2012 (CET)
 * It's not a cop out when your questions are redundant. Why can no one answer my question on why List of unreleased Britney Spears songs is a featured page? Her unreleased songs aren't even notable. Lana Del Rey's unreleased songs show her past career and various personas. The list COULD be included in List of Lana Del Rey songs but the section is far too detailed to be included. She has hundreds of unreleased songs. I'm not sure why this is such a big deal. The page is obviously very active.--MrIndustry (talk) 19:28, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I also don't think List of unreleased Britney Spears songs should be a featured article since there is hardly any text but that's a different topic. teammathi 22:00, 6 August 2012 (CET)


 * Merge. Now that List of Lana Del Rey songs has been created, whose title does not distinquish between released and unreleased songs I can see no reason why "unreleased" should continue to exist as a separate article. --Richhoncho (talk) 19:13, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
 * We can change the title if that's a problem. I just called it "List of Lana Del Rey songs" because that was the title requested. Every artist that has a "List of unreleased songs" also has a "List of songs". That's just what it's called here. I have never seen a "List of released songs". Also, I don't think the articles should be merged since the "List of unreleased songs" ist quite long and needs it's own page. teammathi 21:31, 6 August 2012 (CET)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.