Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of video games considered the worst ever (2005-11-10)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was keep (14 keep, 5 delete).  Rob e  rt  T 01:54, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

List of video games considered the worst ever
Delete because it is purely opinion - and there can't be any recovery without a significant rewrite - and you'd need sources. -Werdna648 22:17, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
 * This page has been on AfD before: the result was "no consensus, keep". The debate is archived here. No vote. &mdash; Haeleth Talk 23:16, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: First, I'd delete anythign so inherently POV anyway. Second, the list of films entry has a lot of references to external authorities.  I am hardly a film buff and I have heard of or seen many of them, and the judgment in each case makes reference to (often multiple) external sources: Ebert, Halliwell etc.  If this article were restricted to those which have authoritative reviews from sources as trustworthy as those, I might have less of a problem with it. As-is, to look at, it's mainly original research. - Just zis Guy, you know? [T]/[C] (W) AfD? 18:03, 13 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Weak Keep rename List of video games widely considered the worst ever and remove unsourced entries. --JiFish(Talk/Contrib) 00:26, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Why should there be a double standard with List of films that have been considered the worst ever? We articles about opinions can be written in such a way that they are not themselves opinionated. Bryan 00:36, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Weak keep In business, major flops can be as notable as major successes (this article mentions that, with 2 flops being major causes of the Video Game Crash of 1983). Perhaps a better title would be List of Famous Video Game flops.  It does run the risk of being a "list of games random editors thought sucked" list... but there certainly is a notable place for famous video game flops.  --W.marsh 00:49, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. There's some precedent and it's maintainable in principle. Even the relatively poor current incarnation is vaguely interesting. There seem to have been people working on the article recently. Let's at least give them a chance to show that they can make an encyclopedic article. - Haukur Þorgeirsson 01:05, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Weak keep, but the title is pretty unwieldy. W. Marsh's name idea is OK, but I would have a problem with Flop, primarily since it has a financial implication, one which some of the most notorious games (e.g. Custer's Revenge) on that list don't meet. I'm reaching here, but as another name, how about "List of Famously Bad Video Games", perhaps? I'd also refrain from deleting "unsourced" ones, since Daikatana, which is perhaps one of the most famous gaming disasters, is in that list of unsourced games. Baryonyx 01:20, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
 * If it's a famous gaming disaster, then it should be easy to find a source. --JiFish(Talk/Contrib) 01:26, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Would this meet your requirements for a source? The Story of Daikatana. Followed up by this listing of review scores at GameSpot. Baryonyx 03:25, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes. --JiFish(Talk/Contrib) 15:44, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Cleanup. It's a POV premise that could become a respectable NPOV article. Durova 02:10, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete irrevokably POV. There is no way to make an article whose title is "Worst..." not be entirely POV. --Bachrach44 03:32, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep since many of the entries are sourced, there is at least some verifiability here. Agree with Bryan for justifying the presence of such a list. Sjakkalle (Check!)  07:33, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, just because some random called it bad, doesn't mean a game should be considered the worst ever. Either provide more reliable sources or delete it. If there's other such articles with bad citation, they need to be deleted too. - Mgm|(talk) 11:45, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and bring it in line with the relatively nPoV of List of films that have been considered the worst ever. &mdash; RJH 15:34, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, survived AFD before. Sourced. Punkmorten 16:23, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment This discussion should probably be similar to the discussion of Articles_for_deletion/Worst_computer_and_video_games. As I said above, I personally think they should both be Delete --Bachrach44 18:38, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, but rewrite in to be more NPOV, give special emphasis on particular classes of "faults" that make a game being considered "the worst ever". This CAN make a good article, if enough work is put into it, and should be treated like the lists of commercial failures. EpiVictor 19:06, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
 * keep per JiFish. Youngamerican 19:26, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete more listcruft and inherently POV.--Isotope23 21:27, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep there is some games that are merely opinion but most are in fact widely credited as horrible games. the list has to get a makeover. --Phil 12:41, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. For the following reasons:
 * The title is POV, as is the premise of the article. Considered by whom?  What objective criteria are used?  Surely the measure of the really bad ones is that they go nowhere at all; this is only going to be games by significant makers which are considered by some to be substandard.
 * The current article is highly subjective, which is hardly a surprise given the fundamental premise.
 * Even if the premise were not fatally flawed by the impossibility of deciding what defines "bad" in the context of a game, the article is listcruft: a list which serves no useful purpose whatsoever. Who is gogin to go to an encyclopaedia to lok for a list of games that never made it because they were rubbish?  That's the rpeserve of game sites, of which there is no shortage.
 * Any entry on a truly bad game - which will most likely not made by a major manufacturer - will be substantially unverifiable, since by their nature, bad games don't sell.
 * Excuse me, but there are a lot of "bad" games with big manufacturers names behind them, e.g. check out E.T. or PacMan for the Atari 2600 or the Acclaim Bubble Bobble port, or Wonder Momo and Bravoman by Namco. EpiVictor 15:48, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I would support an article on the fetures which make a game successful or unsuccessful, which will necessarily discuss many of the failings listed in these games, but to get from here to there involves changing both all the content, the title, and the premise - which is semantically equivalent to delete in this context. - Just zis Guy, you know? [T]/[C] (W) AfD? 19:56, 12 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Keep survived VfD not so far ago.  Grue  23:01, 13 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Keep If films [among other things] got a list, then why shouldn't this? Haoie 06:25, 14 November 2005 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.