Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of video games set in New York City


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 00:40, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

List of video games set in New York City

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List of loosely associated topics. As you can see, these games have nothing in common besides at least "somewhat" being based in NYC. Pure trivia, unsourced. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 21:25, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.   --  Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 21:26, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I am also listing the following article for the same reason:

Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 21:27, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Delete per nom. same also for the "London" version Do U(knome)? yes... | or no  · 23:53, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been added to the list of video game related deletions. MrKIA11 (talk) 22:49, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep This is a notable and reasonable way to do things. It is very much something someone might want to look up, and enough can be said about them to make it more than a category., There should be no problem at all putting in a source to show where each of them is set. DGG (talk) 04:35, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per Lists (discriminate, verifiable, organized, notable, and encyclopedic list). Plenty of editor and reader interest.  Also, note that WP:PERNOM is an "argument" to avoid in deletion discussions.  Sincerely, --  Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 03:57, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - fails WP:NOT. Doesn't warrant an article for such a loosely defined inclusion criteria. As it stands, no sources as well and fails WP:V and WP:NOR. Sephiroth BCR  ( Converse ) 04:41, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The video games can be easily verified and as the list does not advance a thesis, it is not original research. Best, --  Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 04:43, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete, as a typical originally-researched list-of-things-with-attribute list. The fact that this list lacks a thesis is a good clue that it's just indiscriminately listing vaguely-related things. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 17:11, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It is discrmininate though in that it has a clear inclusion criteria as indicated in its title. Sincerely, --  Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 17:16, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The inclusion criteria are so broad and vague that it's including wildly disparate items. It's List of blue things; of course it clearly only includes blue things, but a list of blue things is wildly broad and useless and illustrates no article. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 17:20, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * That would be a reason for tightening or clarifying the inclusion criteria then, but not for outright deletion. The topic seems notable because of such sources as this.  Best, --  Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 17:27, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * So we'd need a thesis, then. The link you give doesn't talk about games about New York as a whole, it just talks about a game, and thus has little to do with this article (perhaps it would belong somewhere relevant, like Liberty City or Grand Theft Auto IV?) - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 17:32, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * A list of this nature serves a purpose akin to a table of contents, portal, or category. Editors interested in video games set in New York City can come to this article and use it to locate such games for which they might write their own off-wiki research.  Best, --  Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 17:38, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It's not a table of contents, portals go in the portal namespace, and categories go in the category namespace. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not an indiscriminate list of trivial facts which someone might someday find interesting. Wikipedia follows off-wiki research, it does not lead it. - A Man In Bl♟ck  (conspire | past ops) 17:41, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Having this article does not make us an indiscriminate list of trivial facts and obviously what some people deem trivial is subjective. Best, --  Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 17:43, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * A list without a thesis is an indiscriminate list of trivial facts; it's "List of things which are blue". - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 17:49, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Apples and oranges. Sincerely, --  Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 18:01, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete both as they are 1) HUGELY incomplete 2) don't have any sources to back it up 3) somewhat fancruft-like and 4) looks bac because of formatting. Mm40 (talk | contribs) 15:22, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Being incomplete is a call for SOFIXIT, Don't demolish the house while it's still being built, and Potential, not just current state. "Cruft" is not a valid argument per WP:ITSCRUFT and Cruftcruft.  Sincerely, --  Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 17:00, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per (oh wait for it Pumpkin) nominator, MiB, etc... viz, fancruft, not INFO etc.... (Irritating & mindless Pumpkin gainsaying to be filled in below this line). Eusebeus (talk) 18:22, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete both MIB summarizes it quite well, the lack of a good thesis to pass WP:NOT. Video games are usually set somewhere, but being set in NYC or London is no more special than being set in Chicago or Los Angeles or my hometown (actually, a setting in my backwater hometown would be more special than NYC). – sgeureka t•c 19:12, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep as notable topic and informative (if, at present, incomplete) article. Every bit as useful and keepable as List of films set in New York City (which, incidentally, like this article has and requires no refs at all; the works provide the information here, the same way we don't need a literary critic to source the statement that Anna Karenina is a novel; it just is).  Ford MF (talk) 21:09, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep notable. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:38, 11 June 2008 (UTC)


 * rejoinder to asserted "reasons: Incomplete?  Since when do we delete articles because they are incomplete? or for that matter, "somewhat fancruft-like" (not even fancruft-like!?) or "looks bad because of formatting"? What article here in Wikipedia is not incomplete; what article about anything of popular interest isn't at least a little similar to what a fan might write?  and, finally, how many articles here are formatted perfectly? 03:01, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Given that this list is discriminate, verifiable, organized, notable, and encyclopedic, it meets the definition of WP:LISTS. Any AfD that mentions Cruftcruft is an article worth retaining for that reason alone. Alansohn (talk) 06:29, 12 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep: this is blatant original research. But this is a pretty discriminate list: either the game takes place in New York, or it doesn't. I'd like to think that someone can do the hard work of referencing this list, because there's a lot of games that (on uninformed glance) shouldn't even be on this list. We have lists like this for books and television shows. There's nothing wrong with games. Randomran (talk) 17:06, 12 June 2008 (UTC)


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