Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of video games with PS1-style tank controls


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The result was delete‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Liz Read! Talk! 21:54, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

List of video games with PS1-style tank controls

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A list of video games that use a particular style of controls. x feature in x type of media is WP:SYNTH at best. Not needed, trivial. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 20:21, 18 September 2023 (UTC) Hi! I created the thing you seek to delete here. I gauge its chances of inclusion to be low, but I am excited to interact here and learn more about how Wikipedia functions. Thanks for all the time and effort you put into Wikipedia. Spellbinding Nitwit (talk) 20:47, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions.  soetermans . ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 20:21, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep "PS1-style" is maybe not necessary, since the main article is just called tank controls, but this falls under WP:CSC as a "Short, complete list of every item that is verifiably a member of the group". It's not synthesis when individual articles say a game has tank controls, all meaning the same thing. Synthesis is when you make conclusions about the subject matter that aren't stated in the source material. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:54, 18 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete not an appropriate list for WP. Having discussion of tank controls somewhere is fine, but we don't break down games by their control scheme. M asem (t) 20:58, 18 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete, alternatively merge. The list is certainly verifiable, I do disagree it's SYNTH, and the concept of tank controls is notable, but I don't think this list is appropriate. Any particularly significant examples, as determined by what games have been discussed in relationship to this, can be covered at tank controls in a history of the concept, especially any "modern" examples and any examples that have been updated in newer remasters (as I see Grim Fandango is mentioned in that capacity). ~Cheers,  Ten  Ton  Parasol  22:02, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete WP:LISTN failure in my view. Yes, I know LISTN is unclear on "list of x of y". A list of video games with tank controls, or a category, would be different. However, none of these sources that cover the concept as a group appear to focus on "PS1". In fact, neither of the currently in use sources for a grouping of tank control games mention PlayStation at all. -- ferret (talk) 22:50, 18 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep, though I also wouldn't be opposed to merging a lot of the relevant information if this list were to be deleted. I do agree with ferret's point that having "PS1-style" in the title muddies the point of the article. If we were to keep the list, I feel it would be best to rename it to simply "List of video games with tank controls". Nonetheless, I agree with ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ's reasoning that this is not WP:SYNTH. The sources being cited ARE saying that these games have tank controls. There is no synthesis of different sources being used to make an entirely new argument that would make this WP:SYNTH. IAmACowWhoIsMad (talk) 08:28, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
 * @IAmACowWhoIsMad I don't think anyone is challenging that individual entries in the list pass WP:V on the mere fact of having tank controls. The question is whether the topic passes WP:LISTN, WP:N/GNG. Even taking "PS1-style" out of the title and treating it as "List of video games with tank controls", we're left with two sources. PCGamer is reliable, so that's good. But Gamerant, part of Valnet's suite, is considered unsuitable for WP:N questions. So this entire list, from a LISTN view, is anchored to a single source, and no one is providing/finding more. I also did some digging, and it seems this started as a category, which was deemed non-defining at CfD but for some reason was suggested to listify instead. If this is not a defining trait for the games on the list, I don't understand why anyone suggested creating a list without evidence of LISTN suitable sourcing. -- ferret (talk) 13:21, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:LISTN. Also shows a complete lack of understanding of how search engines work. Why have an arbitary list of this type, when it could easily be generated. It is unsuitable for Wikipedia and is non-encyclopeadic.    scope_creep Talk  09:18, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete does not pass WP:LISTN Lightburst (talk) 20:51, 25 September 2023 (UTC)


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