Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of video games with female antagonists


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. ÷seresin 06:14, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

List of video games with female antagonists

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See Articles for deletion/List of video games with female protagonists for deletion reasons. This is exactly the same type of article. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 16:42, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game related deletion discussions. MrKIA11 (talk) 16:57, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per what I said there, of course. Haipa Doragon (talk • contributions) 17:10, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete as unencyclopedic and, in any case, far too general (it must be quite a high proportion of video games, one would think).Anaxial (talk) 18:46, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Actually relatively unusual. Note the specific meaning of antagonist, as a principal opponent of the protagonist. The intro says this clearly, but the list needs major editing, as for some of the games here is it does not apply: Lara Croft is the protagonist, and similarly for some of the other examples. DGG (talk) 20:19, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I am kind of new here however I have read through the video games lists and wikipedia rules and so I think that this should be deleted. I do not think we have lists just for unusual things; if they were worthy of note, then there would be sources for it as per the Notability Guideline.
 * Comment If we keep it, let's have List of video game characters who wear orange hats, List of video games with evil scientists, List of video games with a "Loading" screen and List of video games without female characters. Got it?-- The Legendary   Sky Attacker  21:05, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. With such a broad use of "female" and "antagonist", this is going to run to List of video games with female antagonists (A-Aardvark). If this topic is interesting, as DGG implies, then a better way of dealing with it is Female video game antagonist, assuming some references can be found for the topic. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 22:28, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't actually think it would be that large--perhaps it would be better to see if it grows too large. before assuming it. It can always be narrowed to principal antagonist if necessary, DGG (talk) 04:36, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It's already narrowed down to "principle" antagonist, and it's swelling quickly. I could add entries until my fingers got tired typing, if I thought this were going to turn into a useful list. There's an interesting topic, you're absolutely right, but this list is too broad to illustrate that topic. "Female" and "feminine" are not clearly defined attributes when you're talking about a form of fiction that includes all genres of setting, and many of these games only have a female antagonist as a coincidental attribute, one so unimportant even players of the game may be unaware. It's just too big. Feminist theory is a fascinating subject, as is study of gender roles in "low" art, but this is a random, poorly-formed aggregation of raw data that doesn't imply a topic. Unless you can explain what Kid Icarus, System Shock 2, and Rez have in common? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 04:45, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete pointless popkultcruft, impossible to maintain totally non-encyclopedic. Bigdaddy1981 (talk) 23:02, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Game-related deletion discussions.  -- TexasAndroid (talk) 23:51, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  -- TexasAndroid (talk) 23:51, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. If that's the case, then there should be a list of characters with African ancestry, Japanese ancestry, etc. – Nickin/ShifterBr  ( talk ) 02:49, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. As other have said, this is a slippery slope to start allowing them. Niteshift36 (talk) 05:24, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete – contrary to what I stated in the "protagonists" AFD, the portrayal of women in video games article is written with the explicit premise and focus on the main characters in the game, the protagonists. I do not think this would contribute to any further understanding of the context in that article. A better idea would be to have a list of video games in which the main character is female (but then "main" is a very loaded term). Right now, the only thing coming close to that is the female protagonist list (which I !voted to keep in that AFD). MuZemike 16:45, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't see how it matters whether a female character is good or evil, as I understand it, the portrayal of women in video games article is meant to address issues like making a female character a sexual stereotype (e.g. early Lara Croft) or fantasy girl versus a deep character on an equal level to any male protagonist...or something like that. Just listing games with female characters doesn't really assist that case at all.--ZXCVBNM (TALK) 02:02, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
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