Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of villains in Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. ✗ plicit  00:52, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

List of villains in Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman

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Contested WP:PROD. This is a straightforward WP:CONTENTFORK; the article's subject matter can be easily accommodated on Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman and/or the articles on the individual characters (indeed, the article was created simply by copy-and-pasting from these articles). No need to merge anything since again, the content has all been on the relevant articles since before the article was created. Martin IIIa (talk) 00:24, 7 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete as an obvious content fork. JML1148 (Talk &#124; Contribs) 00:29, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements, Television,  and Lists.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 10:17, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete almost entirely unsourced and very much unneeded. (Oinkers42) (talk) 14:49, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge to Lois_%26_Clark:_The_New_Adventures_of_Superman. Where I'd just merge a list of them, since anything else is plot summary that belongs either in the overview of episodes (we have a list) or in the articles on said characters (many are notable like Deathstroke). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 00:32, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge selectively. The proposed solution for a redundant contentfork is not deletion but merge back into the main article. Even if the material here should all be present in articles about individual villain characters, the connection is not completely present in the Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman article. Daranios (talk) 11:02, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge is only appropriate when there's something there to merge. Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman already has all the relevant info on Lex Luthor and Tempus, none of the other characters appeared in more than a couple episodes each, and per MOS:TVCAST there's no need to list every single character who appeared in a TV series. Even if there were, merging this list would create an extreme WP:UNDUE issue where half the article is write-ups on one-off villains while the major recurring characters are omitted. Martin IIIa (talk) 23:20, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I think a list of notable villains - or more generally characters, for that matter - would be good to have. So this could be taken either way: Either expand, link, improve, source the current list, solving WP:UNDUE issues in the process. Or with regard to MOS:TVCAST make this a redirect back to the main show, if the non-recurring characters are treated within the respective season overview articles. Did you check that they appear and are linked there,, so that there indeed is nothing to merge there? Daranios (talk) 10:01, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * After reading over your post a few times I'm not sure what you're proposing (for instance, by "the current list" do you mean the one at Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman or the article which is the subject of this AfD?). To address what seems to be the gist, I don't see why you find the content in this article so precious that merging it would be preferable to improving Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman directly; again, anything that isn't WP:UNDUE is already covered there. I'm also not seeing the value in a redirect; who would type "List of villains in [TV show]" if they were looking for the article on the show itself? As to the season articles, I didn't check them because I've never heard that season articles are supposed to cover all the non-recurring characters. Are you sure that's the case, and if so, can you link me to the relevant guideline? Martin IIIa (talk) 00:22, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I was indeed talking about our list of villains here when talking about the "current list". The list we have here could fullfill the functions of information and navigation: Which of the many notable DC villains made their appearances in the Lois & Clark TV series? (as many of the characters are notable in their own right, having their own articles or at least sections within List of DC comics characters). The list here has a steady stream of clicks, so there are readers who'd like to know about this topic, persumably beyond the very short section within the main article. If MOS:TVCAST suggests not all villains should be covered in the main article, what would be the solution? Either to improve the list. Or cover the topic elsewhere, which would be possible, and probably mostly already is, at the overview articles of the individual seasons. If it is decided that should be the route to go, then a redirect to the main article certainly makes sense, even if it is not an ideal, because slightly complicated, solution: In the absence of a list of villains, the 20 or so persons per day who are indeed looking specifically for this topic are referred back to very condensed version present on the main article. And if the search properly, with two clicks they can reach the series overviews. If we have no such redirect, the interested readers just come up empty. Daranios (talk) 10:25, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete WP:ALLPLOT with nothing to merge. Wikipedia =/= FANDOM. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:47, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per Zxcvbnm, as most of this is unsourced. I can support a selective merge as a compromise, focused on characters who are relevant to the subject matter covered in the main article. Shooterwalker (talk) 03:06, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete - The only characters/cast members from this list that should actually be listed at the Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman section should be the ones that were actually reoccurring cast members, and it seems that those character are already included at the main article, making a merge unneeded. The actual plot information describing what occurred in the various episodes these characters appeared in are likewise already covered fully at the different Season Lists for the series. Rorshacma (talk) 16:31, 11 May 2023 (UTC)


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