Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of vineyards and wineries


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 05:23, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

List of vineyards and wineries

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Notability Winetype 20:37, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

This article dangerously ressembles a list. Most items would fail the Wikipedia_is_not_a_wine_guide test. They are not notables. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Winetype (talk • contribs) 20:42, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Comment - the only merit in a list (as opposed to a category) is that a list can have red links for articles that are needed, but that in turn requires that the missing items should be notable. This one has a few such links, but are they for notable subjects? Peterkingiron (talk) 23:51, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep It doesn't dangerously ressemble a list. It is EXACTLY a list.  So is List of guitar manufacturers.  There are lots of lists on Wikipedia, and I would say this is worthwhile.  So far as Wikipedia_is_not_a_wine_guide, that is not policy, it is an essay.  And it doesn't fail it anyway, as it isn't commending on anything subjective about wine such as the 'right' grapes, etc.  While I am confident you mean well with the nomination, I would respectfully disagree and request a speedy keep. Pharmboy 20:51, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete would be impossible to maintain as a list, there are millions of vineyards around the world; it seems that even "notable" ones would be a list several miles long. Ten Pound Hammer  • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 21:06, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
 * With all respect (and you know I love ya), there are probably not millions. A quick googling of the term "list of wineries" or "list of vineyards" (about 30k in hits each when in quotes) seems to say it is a valid topic, albeit difficult to maintain.  Otherwise, we would have to kill List of guitar manufacturers and thousands of other lists that seem pretty much similar in scope.  Even List of People has a place and can't be harder to maintain. 2c.  Pharmboy 21:17, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep but cleanup. I could see this being expanded to include notable wineries, but I'd like to see it in a table format with dates of establishment, etc, and especially a reference column. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 23:52, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Wine-related deletions.   -- Bduke 03:12, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep, as stated above, there are a multitude of lists on Wikipedia and are valid for organization of topics. As for the wine guide information, that essay again as stated is an essay, not a guideline and even so, the essay is about Wikipedians not suggesting or rating wines.  These articles are non-biased information on a business and their products.  Even still, this is a list, there is no ranking of importance of any of the wineries in the list.  The list could benefit from a bried description on top and even being split into locations, but that is just a suggestion.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 03:20, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * keep Notability is established by the fact that WP articles exist on most of the entries in the list and a list of notable items is notable as such. Expand and improve the list; stop wasting everyone's time witn deletion nominations. Hmains 03:54, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep and improve. As it stands, it's a pretty sad list of sporadic entries, but may be lifted to a useful level. Work to build and maintain, sure, but not impossible. Suggestion of Disavian is good, including region, and indexing by nation would help. EL entries without articles should be removed at sight. M URGH   disc.  12:12, 6 December 2007 (UTC)


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