Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of war crimes allegations


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the nomination was delete. – Avi 15:00, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

List of war crimes allegations
User:Philip Baird Shearer tagged it for speedy deletion as a POV fork, which isn't a CSD. I am transferring here. I also think it is worth a delete, as it appears to be speculative listcruft and violates WP:NPOV. Stifle (talk) 15:27, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete Listcruft as nom. Also blatently POV. If ever completed a list of every alleged warcrime in human history would be enromous and completely in violation of WP:NOT. --IslaySolomon 15:36, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, as per nom. Nomen Nescio Gnothi seauton 15:41, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Must be merge, sorry. Nomen Nescio Gnothi seauton 16:11, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete,This page is a WP:POVFORK created because of a dissagreement on Talk:List of war crimes over the contents of List of war crimes page. Even if there is eventually a consensus to create such a page it does not exist yet and I for one would oppose its creation because of the NPOV problems that alleged lists create. --Philip Baird Shearer 15:45, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment - This was made because the current list at: List of war crimes is where the allegations against the Iraq War was originally posted. The Iraq War portion was moved their because allegations should not be in the other list, because a list of war crimes is different from a list of alleged war crimes. The arguement posed for not moving it however is that most war crimes are not prosecuted and so its ok to put allegations into the list. Jsut some background for everyone. I am not gonig to vote however. -- zero faults   ' '' 15:47, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep or Delete (but not Merge). I created this page as a home for content we felt did not belong on List of war crimes.  People who want the content moved back to List of war crimes have nominated this page for deletion.  I have no particularly strong position on whether alleged war crimes are moved here or are deleted outright-- but I do want to avoid anyone misinterpreting the deletion of this page as somehow indicating a consensus that the content should be moved back to List of war crimes.  I would ask therefore that if voters DO feel the content should be moved back, that they explicitly say so by voting Merge.  A Delete vote alone would indicate that the content should be deleted, not moved back to List of war crimes.  --Alecmconroy 15:56, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Alecmconroy you did not move anything you cut and pasted information out of the List of war crimes creating a NPOV-fork. That cut from the "list of war crimes" has been reverted several times and is currently under discussion on Talk:list of war crimes. The building of a consensus to delete or not to delete the page titled List of war crimes allegations should remain the focus of this AFD page. What should or should not be deleted from or included in the List of war crimes should if there is a lack of consensus be talked through on the Talk:List of war crimes (not here) until a consensus is reached. --Philip Baird Shearer 16:21, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, yes, I cut it from one and pasted it to another. That's what I meant by move, but I'm guessing you're saying "move" should be use to describe using the button at the top of the page?  If so, I apologize if anyone was confused. --Alecmconroy 17:11, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete - I originally said I wasnt gonig to vote because I did not care of the status on the article, however the content should be deleted, not merged back into the old article. Its not appropriate for the whole article as its just random peoples opinions on if the contents are a war crime or not, not a courts opinion. -- zero faults   ' '' 16:22, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete Accusations and allegations, if held by a significant minority or even majority, belong in subject specific articles.  In the content so far, that would be the article on the Iraq War.  Lists should be limited to established items - for crimes that means one that have already received legal determinations by the required tribunal.  The list this was forked from has value in letting readers compare standards over time.  This forked article fails WP:NPOV and will do so forever.  In the current form it also fails WP:NOR.  GRBerry 18:34, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete not only obviously inherently capable of ridiculous length, but also unverifiable. What is an allegation? A case brought in the ICC? A communication to the Human Rights Committee? What I think about events? One of the allegations is simply 'Allegations of wilful killing or inhuman treatment of civilians' in Iraq for goodness' sake. SM247 My Talk  23:46, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete As per nom. Bibigon 08:03, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete no objective criteria for what belongs on this list. Carlossuarez46 20:10, 7 July 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.