Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of wine styles by country


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Deleted by who forgot to close this AfD.  Sandstein  19:48, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

List of wine styles by country

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WikiProject Wine consensus on the article's talk page indicates agreement that this orphaned article isn't useful, and should be deleted. It doesn't list wine styles by country (an impossible task now that just about every wine style is possible to practice in any country). Rather, it lists varietals, which is impractical since winemakers in many countries continually experiment with new varietals. Talk page comments show that the article's creator also favors deletion. ~Amatulić (talk) 18:06, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete--not a very useful list, and I don't mind chiming in with the well-argued comments on the article's talk page or the nominator's succint summary. Drmies (talk) 18:15, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. As per nom, impossible. M URGH   disc.  20:53, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep No valid reasons for deletion have been given so far. Needing a clean up is not a reason for deletion. This seems to clearly have encyclopedic worth and should be tagged for cleanup. -- neon white talk 21:24, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * "No valid reasons"? See WP:NOT. This is an indiscrimminate list, without any meaning or usefulness. Ways of cleaning it up have been discussed and rejected, if you look at the talk page comments. ~Amatulić (talk) 22:07, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * How is it indiscriminate? it has a clear title and purpose, it's valid as a navigational list as 'country' is certainly an important and relevant attribute of wine, it may need work but that's a cleanup issue not a reason for deletion. It's no different from List of cheeses which is sorted by country and an example of what this article should look like. -- neon white talk 01:14, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I offered nothing in addition to the thorough nom list avoiding to flog a dead horse. This list in this form may never represent anything accurate or substantially useful. Yes it could have every varietal removed, as these are not styles as the clear title promises, and be limited to listing the region that the style originated, ignoring any modern attempt to emulate the styles, but would still be riddled with inaccurate links where the "styles" will lead to articles concerned with regions or grape varieties, failing its purpose. It is entirely different from cheeses. M URGH   disc.  03:52, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * From what you have said this seems like a clear candidate for clean up, even a complete rewrite, not deletion. List of cheeses is precisely the same, for example Feta is listed as a greek cheese only yet it is produced in numerous countries, it only originates in Greece. -- neon white talk 11:15, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think you took to heart what I stated. If I were to do the kind of cleanup I mentioned, I'd get reverted and scolded for WP:POINT. There may be a useful way to list the historic and most notable "wine styles" of the world's wine regions but it isn't likely to come about with this format, under the current, rather futile title. It is simply best to start fresh. M URGH   disc.  23:38, 26 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Wine-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 22:14, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 22:15, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. If the people of the WikiProject Wine can agree among themselves, I see no reason to disagree. They are the experts, I would make the same call. Almost every wine style can be practiced in every country, the list would be endless. - Mgm|(talk) 00:13, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * They do not represent the wide community and are not expert in wikipedia policy, there views are cannot be cited a reason for deletion. You need to make points based on policy. -- neon white talk 01:14, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * True but chances are we are the only ones who would roll up their sleeves and try to bring this article within Wikipedia policy--i.e. WP:V, WP:NOR, WP:NPOV, etc. However, after looking at the article and evaluating its usefulness with other wine articles, we've came to unanimous consensus that this article is inaccurate and of little to no use to the project. So by not deleting this article, we are leaving an inaccurate and useless article that falls outside of acceptability per Wikipedia policy. Who is going to clean it up when the wine folks believe it is beyond repair? The people advocating to keep this article? AgneCheese/Wine 16:47, 26 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete. This article has no references. It is unclear what it is trying to do. It is an indiscriminate list. It is unencyclopedic and impossible to maintain. It can never be close to being complete. Just a quick look at it suggested that some styles (I use this word only because it is in the title) are missing, and I could add "Australia" (my country) in probably dozens of places. This is not the way to present wine information on wikipedia. -- Bduke   (Discussion)  03:29, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * There is no guideline or policy that says lists have to be defintive or complete in fact they state the opposite. -- neon white talk 19:08, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * But we do have policies pertaining to verifiability and reliability. This has none, and no amount of 'cleanup' can fix it. If you insist that this article can be rescued through cleanup, go for it. Those of us who had a hand in this article's creation disagree, and we want it gone. ~Amatulić (talk) 01:11, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete- I started this page because I thought there would be some value to the information that was essentially buried in the main Wine article. More than a year and half later I can admit that I was mistaken. As Amatulic and others have pointed out, the article is essentially inaccurate since every wine producing country can really make just about any style of wine. Therefore the article offers little "navigational" or "encyclopedic" benefit to Wikipedia. If this article could be even half as useful as something like Template:Wines than I would argue it could be salvaged. But there really isn't any encyclopedic benefit to the article. AgneCheese/Wine 03:49, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Most people would assume it referred to 'country of origin', a clean up and a good lead paragraph would state that. -- neon white talk 19:08, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * But we are still left with the fact that is wholly inaccurate and offers little to no navigational and encyclopedic benefit. How does Wikipedia benefit by keeping an inaccurate and useless article? As a Wine Project member, our goal is to make Wikipedia be one of the premier sources on Wine information on the web. After numerous members looked at this article, we came to unanimous agreement that this article serves little to no benefit to Wikipedia and, most importantly, to readers coming to Wikipedia to learn about wine. Items like Template:Wines and even List of grape varieties are far more useful to the reader and can be developed further to cover, accurately and referenced, some of the material from this article. AgneCheese/Wine 16:47, 26 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep. Needs a clean up, but as talk states, there is no valid reason to delete. Proxy User (talk) 18:53, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per the discussion on the article's discussion page. If the WikiProject wants it gone (with zero opposition to deletion mentioned in the discussion), why should we second-guess a unanimous WikiProject? B.Wind (talk) 02:42, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. No references = no article.  JBsupreme (talk) 04:25, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per several entries above. This is a list without references, no operational definition of what constitues a "wine style" (which seems to have been confused with grape varieties; the exact term "wine style" actually has no entry in the encylopedic wine bible #1, Oxford Companion to Wine), and no clearly defined "cut off" for what constitutes inclusion. Can not see anything in this list of any encyclopedic value worth salvaging. Tomas e (talk) 23:50, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete too broad of a list as it is impossible to note all of the wine styles of a particular country. Also note that this is completely opinion/OR as styles change. Tavix (talk) 00:00, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete as per points stated by Tavix above. Camw (talk) 04:26, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.