Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of wineries and vineyards in Maine (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Spartaz Humbug! 17:49, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

List of wineries and vineyards in Maine
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Similar to Articles for deletion/List of wineries and vineyards in Alabama, this is a listcrufty linkfarm/directory of non-notable local businesses. Reywas92Talk 02:42, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
 * An WP:ATD would be inclusion of notable wineries at Maine wine. See also Articles for deletion/List of wineries in Ohio. Reywas92Talk 01:46, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 06:12, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Maine-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 06:12, 31 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep Easily passes WP:LISTN as there are plenty of books such as East Coast Wineries: A Complete Guide from Maine to Virginia. See WP:BEFORE, WP:ATD, WP:PRESERVE, WP:NOTCLEANUP. Andrew D. (talk) 11:09, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
 * You are welcome to create a Winemaking in the Eastern United States article, but existence of a book on such a topic does not mean Wikipedia needs one listing non-notable businesses. I'm not suggesting clean-up of this, nor do you suggest a constructive alternative to deletion so I'm not sure what the point of the random links is. Reywas92Talk 00:43, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete only one entry with an article does not make a notable list. As for the above comment, throwing references to books, might be useful for some content, but not lists of non notable wineries or vineyards. Ajf773 (talk) 18:54, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 13:07, 1 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment Notice how many redlinks are in the navbox for this one? RobDuch (talk) 07:11, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep The topic passes WP:LISTN This is a worthwhile and useful list for readers. Makes navigating the encyclopaedia easier.  7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 19:43, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Unclear what this sea of redlinks does for navigation. Reywas92Talk 20:21, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
 * This was already discussed and resolved in the first nomination. WP:Not paper, so what is the issue again?  7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 20:35, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
 * What makes you think Not Paper is a valid argument to keep just any article? "Consequently, this policy is not a free pass for inclusion". Is a List of restaurants in Maine cool because there's a book on it and we're not made of paper? These are simple listings as a directory. This was not resolved in that 9-year-old debate, which which closed no consensus (though partially over the nomination of 8 articles at once). Pinging still-active editors from there, the AL list, and related Articles for deletion/List of wineries in Quebec:,              .  Reywas92Talk 00:31, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
 * What you just did was WP:Canvassing. 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎</b>) 01:29, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Your point is? "Appropriate notification: Editors who have participated in previous discussions on the same topic (or closely related topics)" Many of them voted keep in 2009 so this may just be counterproductive for me. Reywas92Talk 01:38, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
 * IMO that wasn't canvassing. I was involved in a previous AfD discussion so this is a logical heads up Gbawden (talk) 06:16, 4 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete (but consider this !vote canvassed and dismissble if 7&6=thriteen is correct that there was canvasing). A list of blue-linked, notable wineries would be appropriate (though this would be better served by a category), but a list of all wineries are not as that would include every ma-and-pa and moonshine-like distillery that got a commercial license. NOT#GUIDEBOOK, NOT#WHOSWHO (effective), and violates the principle of NCORP. --M asem (t) 01:44, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep but cut it waaaaay down. Bearian (talk) 01:54, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Can you clarify what it should be cut down to? Should the redlinks be removed? What do you think about a partial merge to Maine wine?
 * Keep & keep all that can be demonstrated to have a real existence This is the way to deal with topics that are not individually notable It's not intended as a list of notable wineries.  DGG ( talk ) 06:05, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
 * So we should have directories of any and all non-notable businesses on Wikipedia? List of restaurants in New York City could certainly be expanded to many times its size to include anything demonstrated to have a real existence. Make a nice table with citations to Zagat and Yelp and TimeOut New York and we've dealt with eateries that are not individually notable. Reywas92Talk 07:58, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment: The Milowent of 10 years ago on the prior AfD on this article was more reasonable than I remember.  My conclusion then, as now, was that useful winery lists should generally be kept.  Yes, we are not a corporate directory, so there's some discretion here in what we think is appropriate.  If there's not enough content for a useful winery list article, I could easily see Maine wine being expanded with some text content that mentions some example wineries.  This article as is doesn't get a lot of pageviews.--Milowent • <sup style="position:relative">has<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-3.2ex;*left:-5.5ex;">spoken  13:25, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep I understand User:Reywas92's frustration that this is a promotional directory type of entry. A list like this is completely reasonable, while a list of restaurants might not be Gbawden (talk) 14:06, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
 * <small class="delsort-notice">Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Wine-related deletion discussions. North America1000 19:16, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete as per WP:NOTDIR, almost none of these are notable, so they do not belong in a list.--Rusf10 (talk) 22:51, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jovanmilic97 (talk) 09:06, 7 April 2019 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete. All items should either have an own article, or it should be note-worthy.  The former is only true for one article (which currently does not have any references, and if the prod that is on there is retracted should go through the scrutiny of an AfD by itself), the rest in this list is not referenced.  If a significant number of these wineries can be shown to have received independent attention then this list can stay.  Otherwise all that did not need to be removed, making this a list of one (or even 0) items.  --Dirk Beetstra T  C 13:59, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   17:58, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
 * <small class="delsort-notice">Note: This debate has been included, originally by Andrew Davidson, and relisted by Dream Focus, in the Article Rescue Squadron's list of content for rescue consideration. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:47, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I did not relist it, I fixed the link to go to the proper AFD, it previously linking to the first AFD for this. I did not participate in this AFD at all.   D r e a m Focus  21:00, 14 April 2019 (UTC)


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