Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of wineries in the Barossa Valley


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The result was Keep -- JForget 00:59, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

List of wineries in the Barossa Valley

 * – (View AfD) (View log) This article dangerously ressembles a list. Most items would fail the Wikipedia_is_not_a_wine_guide test. They are not notable. Winetype 20:51, 3 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep Hate to cut and paste, but it hold true for both articles. "It doesn't dangerously ressemble a list.  It is EXACTLY a list.  So is List of guitar manufacturers.  There are lots of lists on Wikipedia, and I would say this is worthwhile.  So far as Wikipedia_is_not_a_wine_guide, that is not policy, it is an essay.  And it doesn't fail it anyway, as it isn't commending on anything subjective about wine such as the 'right' grapes, etc."  It would seem with that many wineries in one area, the topic is notable enough for a list.  Pharmboy 20:56, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment Since when has "this dangerously resembles a list" been a valid criteria for deletion? Especially on an article entitled "List of...". As for the actual article itself, I think what it IS dangerously resembling is a directory. There are far too many redlinks in that list for my liking, although as Pharmboy points out, not a wine guide isn't policy. However, I think there is some potential for improvement here, perhaps by cutting down on the less notable wineries in the list and perhaps some expansion of the more notable ones. Tx17777 21:09, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletions.   -- Bduke 03:08, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Wine-related deletions.   -- Bduke 03:12, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep - This is a list that seems to meet the purposes specified in WP:LIST. Not sure at all where the nominator is going on this. Needs a lead, referencing, removal of redlinks that will never be articles but this is all a case for cleanup not deleting - Peripitus (Talk) 06:11, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep but the scope should be narrowed to be notable wineries - that is wineries that pass WP:N or WP:CORP hence could reasonably be the subject of an article.Garrie 10:19, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Per Garrie. Twenty Years 14:47, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep, it's... erm... a list. That meets WP:LIST.  And whose title begins with "List of".  I'm having difficulty understanding the rationale for deletion here.  Lankiveil (talk) 08:35, 5 December 2007 (UTC).
 * Comment - the value of lists is that they can include red links for missing articles. However for an article to be "missing", its subject needs to be notable.  How many of these are notable?  The rest (if retained) should have their square brackets removed to discourage the creation of articles about NN subjects.  Peterkingiron (talk) 23:55, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep. Reliable sources must be found, however. The current source link is broken. Auroranorth (!) 13:16, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep. Second Pharmboy. --Kieran Bennett (talk) 21:44, 6 December 2007 (UTC)


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