Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of wrestlers who died early age


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was redirect to List of sportspeople who have died during their playing career. Obviously a fork of that page; I don't see why wrestling would require a separate article. Sr13 01:23, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

List of wrestlers who died early age

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This is a text-book example of irredeemable WP:LISTCRUFT if I ever saw one. The underlying concept is not notable, and it's indiscriminate and arbitrary (why not before the age of 40? Or 60?  What is "early age"?) &mdash; Coren (talk) 01:20, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong delete, purely list cruft, hard to verify, etc. And I agree with the nom here -- what is "early age" for a wrestler? For anyone? I'm 20 years old -- is that "early age" for a Wikipedian? Ten Pound Hammer  • (((Broken clamshells • Otter chirps))) 01:21, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * As stated in the article - 50. Chaldean 01:24, 21 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep Greatly disagree. Ho did you conclude it to be not notable? I think people would be very interested in this list considering the many wrestlers who are dying at a young age for the past 5 years. In any case, this list has great potential (in terms of length) considering the amount of wrestlers who have died. Chaldean 01:23, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Overly specific. Has no clear standard for inclusion. --Alksub 01:25, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Note - I would also like to know how is this different from List of professional cyclists who died during a race? Or what about if we changed the title to "List of wrestlers who have died during their career" just like List of sportspeople who have died during their playing career? The current list [] isn't in any order, lacks information - age importantly. Chaldean 01:28, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, "List of wrestlers who died during a match" would be an analog. Also, please try to remember that the existence of one article is not a good reason to keep another.  &mdash; Coren (talk) 01:49, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Changing to List of wrestlers who have died during their career seems like a smart move -- that way, the listing criteria would be much more explicit. The reason the list is currently no good is because "early age" is NOT verifiable. Ten Pound Hammer  • (((Broken clamshells • Otter chirps))) 01:36, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I can easily expand it, but it was tagged exactly 30 seconds after I began the article. Chaldean 01:43, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * There's a reason for that. Realkyhick 02:28, 21 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Weak Delete or Merge: Would be made a lot better into a regular encyclopedia article, and not a list. It is something that's notable, but doesn't need to have a page to itself, especially when only six are mentioned and there are probably many more that can be found and included. At the moment it just seems like it was copied off another page (Old Assyrian Period?) and then filled in with the info of the wrestlers. Good idea, just poorly made and needs to be included in another way. - Kneel17 01:36, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. Listcruft, pure and simple. Besides, who defines "early age"? Count this one out, ref. Realkyhick 02:28, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It has been changed before you even commented. Chaldean 02:36, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. That was fast. Didn't realize I wielded so much influence. :-) Even so, I'm not really thriled about this list, and I think it would be better sorted by name than by date, though I think there's a way you can set charts up to allow user sorting. I gotta say that there seems to be an inordinate amount of coverage of pro wrestling on Wikipedia as a whole. However, I think this list now escapes the choke-hold of listcruft. (Choke-hold? Wrestling? Get it? Oh, never mind.) Realkyhick 02:59, 21 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Another Note - According to Hannity and Colmes [] 104 wrestlers have died under the age 40 in the past 10 years. I think its important to list this. Chaldean 03:04, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong delete Doesn't warrant own article. See List of Deceased Wrestlers for another related article I recently nominated for deletion.  Wikidudeman  (talk) 03:39, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, but take note that being dead is not at all notable, or list criteria, whereas the situation/circumstances surrounding your death may be. Calgary 03:42, 21 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep First off, the article is improperly named. The appropriate title is List of professional wrestlers who have died during their career, as that is described by the article as criteria for inclusion. When you look at it that way, it seems to be of far greater value, as it is entirely objective, rather than subjective (For example, if Ric Flair were to die any time soon, he would still be included in the article, as although whether he is at an "early age" for death may be arguable, the fact that he is still an active professional wrestler cannot be disputed. Once you take that into consideration, I'd have to say that yes, the subject of of professional wrestlers who have died during their active careers is indeed notable enough for it's own list. Calgary 03:42, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * "Young" is ambiguous, "Early" is also ambiguous. As for "in their career", that would put the list to maybe 15 notable individuals at most.  Wikidudeman  (talk) 03:49, 21 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Piledrive aka Strong Delete WP:LISTCRUFT, WP:NOT Rackabello 05:58, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. The article, under its new title, suggests that there is something rotten in this industry. Would be much stronger as an article WWGB 08:15, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete recreation of something very similar that was knocking about soon after Benoit killed himself. Lugnuts 08:33, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong delete list cruft of the worst kind and WP:NOT as stated above. Fork of the equally bad List of Deceased Wrestlers. MartinDK 09:37, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete as it is listcruft and unsourced.--JForget 16:42, 22 July 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.