Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lists of starting quarterbacks in the XFL


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__ to Lists of starting quarterbacks in the UFL now that said article has been created. History remains if there is material that still needs to be merged. It is unclear to this closer. Star  Mississippi  02:04, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Lists of starting quarterbacks in the XFL

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Subject does not meet the WP:LISTN as this is not a grouping discussed in secondary sources. I found some lists of the quarterbacks in the league, but not specifically for starting quarterbacks. Let&#39;srun (talk) 21:09, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Lists of people, Sports, American football,  and Lists. Let&#39;srun (talk) 21:09, 10 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Also a courtesy ping to @BeanieFan11, who removed the initial PROD. Let&#39;srun (talk) 21:10, 10 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  WC  Quidditch   ☎   ✎  00:25, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I found some lists of the quarterbacks in the league, but not specifically for starting quarterbacks. Care to share the lists you found? If there is sufficient sourcing to establish notability for a list of XFL quarterbacks, but not specifically the starting quarterbacks, then perhaps this could be a "keep and move" situation to something like List of XFL quarterbacks. Left guide (talk) 00:56, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I found the same one you did. Let&#39;srun (talk) 02:21, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I'll also note that, within the context of other articles about the league, that there is substantial information about starting quarterbacks' roles. Going back to 2020, there was a lot of reporting on starting QB salary being higher than other position players, which in and of itself establishes notability. I'll add that one to the article and others. J. Myrle Fuller (talk) 00:03, 15 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Comment: From what I can see, none of the sources in the current version of the article count towards the notability of the article topic, since they appear to discuss NFL quarterbacks (and to a lesser extent quarterbacks as a general concept), so the sources are supporting the article in a synthetic manner and the actual list is unsourced original research, but I found this source that specifically addresses XFL quarterbacks. Left guide (talk) 00:44, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete not enough specific coverage of starting quarterbacks at any point in time to justify a separate article. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:15, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment: WP:Otherstuffexists as there's an article for Lists of starting quarterbacks in the USFL, List of starting quarterbacks in the National Football League and List of Super Bowl starting quarterbacks - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 00:09, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I'll note that the USFL article features nearly identical text to the one currently being discussed and is at substantial risk of a similar deletion nomination should the original nominee so choose. J. Myrle Fuller (talk) 23:52, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Other stuff exists is also part of Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions, it isn't a reason to keep this one. If anything, it's a reason to consider deleting some of those too (though NFL Superbowl starting QBs do get a lot of coverage, unlike QBs in this league). Joseph2302 (talk) 16:19, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * By pointing out WP:OSE (which I will continue to do), I am not suggesting keep or delete. I am merely pointing it out for possible merge. Ignoring the existence of other articles seems irrational to me. We should be aware of everything relevant in the main space. Whether you want to merge, keep or delete is up to you. - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 17:00, 15 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete as currently structured due to complete lack of sourcing, ergo no establishment of notability and possible listcruft. In theory, going through individual quarterbacks' articles alone, there is enough material and sourcing to justify a list article—but I would prefer, given the structure of the UFL, that if such sourcing is established, that it be merged into its USFL counterpart, given that it is a historical list (see also: Timeline of the XFL and USFL) and that now-defunct teams be included as Former USFL and XFL teams in a separate section. J. Myrle Fuller (talk) 23:47, 14 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Comment I have made some revisions to the article to make the lede more relevant to the XFL in particular in hopes of establishing notability and withdraw my vote to delete. My suggestion to merge remains. J. Myrle Fuller (talk) 00:35, 15 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge to Lists of starting quarterbacks in the UFL.  Cards   84664   01:12, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Relisting as the discussion seems to be ongoing between those editors arguing for Delete and those advocating a Merge. I'll just add that I assume the proposed Merge target article is Lists of starting quarterbacks in the USFL as there is no article at Lists of starting quarterbacks in the UFL page title. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 21:00, 17 March 2024 (UTC) Relisting comment: Relisting for either delete or better merge target consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Herald (Benison) (talk) 03:46, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge to Lists of starting quarterbacks in the UFL. - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 17:04, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete. If we don't have sources for this group, it should not exist as a standalone list, nor should should it be merged elsewhere.
 * JoelleJay (talk) 20:43, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Sources have been added to establish notability so that issue has been addressed. J. Myrle Fuller (talk) 22:35, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Where? I see sources for some individual entries, but nothing treating the list topic as a group. JoelleJay (talk) 23:25, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Individual articles discussing within the context of being a starting quarterback in the XFL/UFL. Individual articles discussing the relevance and importance of the position (especially in regard to salary). That crosses into GNG territory and no longer qualifies the topic for deletion.
 * If one must rise to the order of picking nits over subject focus of sources, it likely does not rise to the level where deletion would be warranted. That said, restructuring of the artlcle if/when the merger is proposed, I would like to see it trimmed to a comparable standard as the NFL starting quarterback in that the current/most recent example is the only one that needs to be listed, as there likely is nowhere near enough sourcing—at least anything rising beyond ROUTINE coverage—to warrant such listcruft. J. Myrle Fuller (talk) 23:46, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * What you are describing is an article on the starting QB position in the XFL, not a list of them. To qualify for NLIST, that topic must have GNG coverage. JoelleJay (talk) 04:26, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * There are these two sources treating XFL quarterbacks as a group, (one of which is referenced in this article) but I don't know if it's enough to establish notability. At a minimum, it should qualify for a merge though. Left guide (talk) 02:33, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * The first of those is about XFL starting QBs as a position, not a list of individual QBs; in fact it only mentions one player. The second is not an independent source as ESPN has a broadcast contract with the XFL and therefore has a strong financial incentive to cover the league. The article is also not on starting QBs, so its coverage is irrelevant anyway. JoelleJay (talk) 04:39, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * The XFL and USFL themselves are merging into a new UFL league, hence the intended merge target.  Cards   84664   16:44, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * A new merge target has to be created first, regardless of the fact that the leagues have merged. I still oppose a merge since I don't see the sourcing needed to support it. Let&#39;srun (talk) 19:06, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Cards84664, I didn't say that the subject didn't exist, just that the article didn't exist. We can't merge this article into a nonexistent page. Liz Read! Talk! 20:16, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment - Yes, UFL because USFL and XFL are merging next season (see United Football League (2024) — Preceding unsigned comment added by BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk • contribs) 17:24, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Comment - Why not just rename Lists of starting quarterbacks in the USFL to Lists of starting quarterbacks in the UFL and merge XFL to the new UFL article? - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 04:52, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
 * That sounds too complicated for an AFD closure. That is something that can be handled if this article is Kept. Liz Read! Talk! 07:52, 25 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep with the intent of merging this and the USFL article together to form Lists of starting quarterbacks in the UFL. This can be done off AFD as descrbed above by Liz.  Frank   Anchor  20:00, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Changed to redirect to the now-created Lists of starting quarterbacks in the UFL. It looks like the necessary content is already merged into the target, but anything else that would need merged can be pulled from the article history.  Frank   Anchor  14:11, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I also applaud User:Cards84664 for WP:BOLDLY creating the UFL list and incorporating much of the content from the former XFL and USFL lists.  Frank  Anchor  14:14, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Lists of starting quarterbacks in the UFL has now been created. Would a simple Redirect be appropriate or is there still content that needs to be Merged? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 03:30, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Close as moot - Merged to Lists of starting quarterbacks in the UFL.  Cards   84664   18:20, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @Cards84664: Such as move should not occur until this AfD is concluded. Let&#39;srun (talk) 20:19, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Cards84664 please do not redirect or move articles while an AFD discussion is still open. Consensus still has yet to be determined. Thanks for starting an article though. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 03:27, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Redirect - all content has been merged and updated.  Cards   84664   03:35, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Cards84664, I realize that you think this, in part because you created the article, I would just like to hear opinions from other editors. Thank you. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 07:42, 1 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Redirect per Cards84664. If the merged article does not meet GNG (or other guidelines) then that should go to AfD. Rlendog (talk) 12:39, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Redirect to the new UFL list. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:37, 2 April 2024 (UTC)


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