Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Little Jimmy Urine


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was keep. – Steel 20:07, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Little Jimmy Urine

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First of all, I would like to mention that this article has been pointed out to me by Kneale. Before you post your recommendations in this discussion, please send some kind words to him, who seems to have left Wikipedia without warning.

I am copying some of my own comments to above user here:

Jimmy Urine is not notable according to Wikipedia standards. He violates WP:MUSIC and WP:BIO.

After a brief google search on "Little Jimmy Urine", you can see that the web pages already violate WP:RS, since some of those pages are interviews and reviews, sources that are biased in favor of Little Jimmy Urine, thus violating WP:NPOV. Also, a quote from WP:MUSIC states: Clearly, the Little Jimmy Urine article cannot be supported by such web sites, since the interviews involve Jimmy Urine talking about himself, giving us biased information for the article in question.
 * "This criterion includes published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, books, magazine articles, and television documentaries except for the following: Media reprints of press releases, other publications where the musician/ensemble talks about themselves, and advertising for the musician/ensemble."

The guideline on notability requires that: I did a broader google search on "Jimmy Urine". Do you see how only 3 web pages on "Jimmy Urine" appear? Afterwards, a search on "Mindless Self Indulgence" continues. This tells me that Jimmy Urine is only notable because of his role in Mindless Self Indulgence. If he has any notability outside of MSI, then that might warrant an article. In addition, I did a search on my school's Proquest Platinum database, and there was only 1 periodical that mentioned Jimmy Urine's name, and in passing. That's the trouble with this Wikipedia article. Sources on this guy only mention him in passing. The main subject is MSI.
 * "The person has been a primary subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent of the person."

Look at this version (current during the time I post this message), and you will see that the article is not backed up by sources. It could potentially be filled with WP:OR. The article does not WP:CITE any reliabe sources (RS) (or any sources for that matter).

The article also violates WP:LIVING and WP:V.

the article should be merged with the mindless self indulgence article

Therefore, I request that this article be deleted.  Ed  ¿Cómo estás? 20:53, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep - easily meets the requirements set by WP:MUSIC: Mindless Self Indulgence has performed in numerous national and international tours, released four albums on a major record label, been featured in rotation both on radio and television, etc. Jimmy Urine, in particular, is the driving force of the ensemble, responsible for writing and arranging almost all of their music. He is also responsible for releasing a record under the monicker of The Left Rights. This gets right to the issue of sourcing concerns, which are constrictive and flawed. There are numerous non-trivial publications that concern Mindless Self Indulgence, but more importantly their cultural impact and unique musical arrangement - both of these aspects are spearheaded by and directly attributed to Jimmy Urine. Further, as the nominator noted, there are numerous interviews with the performer. However, unlike the nominator implied, these interviews include both primary source information and secondary source analysis. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 21:45, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. Inadequately referenced. If satisfactory references can be found by the end of this debate I'll change my opinion, but frankly I doubt these will be available. Wouldn't mind seeing his stage show - I've always had a soft spot for mindless self-indulgence ! WMMartin 11:07, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep per anetode's good research. Mango juice talk 01:18, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —Doug Bell talk 05:25, 26 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment in response to User:Anetode. So his heavy involvement with MSI means that information should be in the MSI article and not be entirely duplicated in his biography. The only Left Rights related article appears to be The Left Rights (album), with no article for that project. There needs to be cleanup on the article with sources explaining why are his appearance and antics important enough for inclusion. Interviews and reviews are not inherently biased for the artist. Pomte 06:50, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep as long as sources proving the notability claimed are added. Nuttah68 18:39, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete I am quite new to wikipedia therefore asked Ed for advice, but I believe the article does not provide any important sources and also therefore does not conform to WP:BIO Kneale 19:25, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep, leader of notable band. NawlinWiki 02:52, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.