Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Littleton Chorale


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. v/r - TP 01:33, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Littleton Chorale

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Choir fails the GNG.  Nolelover   Talk · Contribs  23:55, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete Does not appear to satisfy WP:ORG or the more specific guideline for musical groups, Notability (music). Google news archive is not easy to find these days, but a search of it showed only a few "Upcoming local events" entries in local papers, trivial coverage which do not satisfy the notability requirements of Wikipedia. Edison (talk) 00:52, 22 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  — frankie (talk) 01:13, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Colorado-related deletion discussions.  — frankie (talk) 01:13, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Al Hart (talk) 02:28, 22 August 2011 (UTC) As a 40 year member of the metro Denver music scene, Littleton Chorals is indeed worthy of inclusion in the Wikipedia.

In an attempt to bolster a worthy category - Denver Area Choruses, and to make meaningful additions to other local categories - such as Music of Denver, Colorado, it is important that we provide depth for the long standing, established, musical organizations in Denver.

I am sorry that the reviewer did not find enough "upcoming local events" to satisfy himself/herself. But, of course, like most volunteer community choruses the Littleton Chorale only performs 10 performances of 5 major concerts per year, plus 5 additional supplemental concerts to bolster the local chorale scene. A quick Google Search shows several notices of recent concerts:
 * Western Welcome Week
 * Doc Mehl's appearance schedule
 * Soaring Voices Flying Fingers — Preceding unsigned comment added by Al Hart (talk • contribs) 01:21, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, its not the "upcoming local events" that would make this article suitable for Wikipedia, its a real claim to what we call notability. Here at Wikipedia, we have the "general notability guideline". I encourage you to read that, and decide for yourself if your choir passes that test. I realize this may seem like a harsh standard, but it is absolutely necessary for keeping the junk (not that this is junk by any means :) out of Wikipedia. Thank you for your time,  Nolelover   Talk · Contribs  01:43, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

"A company, corporation, organization, school, team, religion, group, product, or service is notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage in secondary sources. Such sources must be reliable, and independent of the subject. A single independent source is almost never sufficient for demonstrating the notability of an organization."

Well maybe we'll hear some other opinions - particularly from people who have been instrumental in documenting and recording the other similar groups from all over the world. You and I could go back and forth without ever changing the others opinion an iota.

I would point out similar organizations already in Wikipedia - such as Idaho Gateway Chorus and Ars Nova Singers and you would respond that the inclusion of other similar groups is not sufficient to qualify the inclusion of a respected, long standing organization such as the Littleton Chorale. Al Hart (talk) 02:17, 22 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, the key there is "sources must be reliable". The standard for being considered a RS is pretty high, and the three websites you listed earlier are trivial mentions in possibly non-reliable sources. Also, as to the other articles, note that they are honestly in pretty bad shape - not something you wanna compare yourself too. Neither of them really establishes their notability either.  Nolelover   Talk · Contribs  02:33, 22 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment "This article should be kept because there are other similar articles about organizations with no better claim of notability?" That argument is discussed and dismissed in the essay WP:OTHERSTUFF. At the same time, I state my firm conviction that community bands, chorales, and orchestras are a wonderful part of life, a point of pride for the musicians and their family, friends, and members of the local community in the audience. The world is a better place because these volunteers pour their hearts out in diligently practiced and rehearsed renditions of difficult musical numbers. But the same type of argument might be made for a nonnotable softball league, high school athletic team, community theatre performance, or other amateur recreational program. It needs significant coverage in multiple reliable independent sources to satisfy Wikipedia's guidelines for notability, not just our feeling that it involves good people working hard at something they care deeply about which makes their community a more cultured place. If I had to live in Littleton, I would be glad that this chorale was there. I might audition for it. But that does not entitle it to a Wikipedia article. Edison (talk) 04:40, 22 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete - I didn't find much notable coverage on Google, Google News and Yahoo aside from ticket websites and a small mention here. SwisterTwister  talk  03:12, 22 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete - Lacks the coverage in reliable sources to meet the inclusion criteria for Wikipedia. -- Whpq (talk) 16:43, 24 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep .  James470 (talk) 05:08, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
 * LOL'd at your edit summary, although those "stupid Wikipedia acronyms" help others understand your reasons a lot better.  Nolelover   Talk · Contribs  13:56, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
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