Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Liu Chi-chun


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) — UY Scuti Talk  16:24, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Liu Chi-chun

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Non notability. I speedied this, but user:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz removed the speedy in the curious but mistaken belief that being married to somebody notable confers notability. See WP:NOTINHERITED. "She put lots of efforts to look after the new family of her, and she borne 9 child (5 sons and 4 girls) for the family" is not a credible claim of notability. TheLongTone (talk) 13:32, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Actually, Wolfowitz removed the speedy because being the "First Lady" of the Republic of China is an assertion of notability, and is certainly a claim of significance sufficient to defeat A7. There's a category Category:First Ladies of the Republic of China, and the notability of the other members of the category isn't in question. That's probably because WP:NOTINHERITED staes rather clearly that Note, however, that this does not apply to situations where the fact of having a relationship to another person inherently defines a public position that is notable in its own right, such as a national First Lady. Therefore, since the very page that TheLongTone cites in support of deletion says that the subject is notable, Speedy keep, speedy close and a serving of trout for the nom for both their obvious error and their clumsy name-and-shame attempt to cast aspersions on the editor who corrected their error. Clunky prose doesn't justify deletion, just copyediting.The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 14:20, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:53, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:53, 16 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Weak keep. First, as Wolfowitz pointed out, being first lady is assumed to confer independent notability. Second, she did receive some biographical coverage e.g. . However, it is clear that she is solely known for being President C.K. Yan's wife and all the detailed biographies of her contain what User:EEng would call "pedestrian life details", so I'm !voting weak keep. Deryck C. 12:11, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Finally, I'm famous for something. My mother's very proud. (Nothing to add to the notability question, though I'd be surprised if there's not SIGCOV on her.) EEng (talk) 12:18, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Bushranger One ping only 07:15, 23 December 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Merge to Yen Chia-kan into a new family section. Unlike in the US, first ladies in other countries don't always take a public role, and this article emphasizes that in her case. Plus her role was many years ago when women were less in the public eye. Her husband's bio is quite short so some details about his wife and 9 kids will give it a little bulk. Leave name as a redirect of course. Legacypac (talk) 09:07, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — UY Scuti Talk  18:03, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Keeep Our usual practice is that head of state is notable.  DGG ( talk ) 09:48, 31 December 2015 (UTC)


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