Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Liu Yong-chuan


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was not enough of a consensus to delete, but sufficient not to give the guy his own article, so very slight merge into Independent Federation of Chinese Students and Scholars as the founder. --Sam Blanning(talk) 13:52, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Liu Yong-chuan
Claims to be "well-known" leader of overseas Chinese students. Well, obviously not, as I see no evidence that he is well-known. Delete. --Nlu (talk) 07:56, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Weak-ish Keep I can't find a ton about him, but there are several different souces mentioning him online, and he seems to really be a published author. -Goldom 莨夊ｩｱ 謚慕ｨｿ 08:00, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete and start again - article doesn't assert notability, but if Goldom found indications of his being a published author, it should have been mentioned in the first place. B.Wind 00:33, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I just got that by the fact that one of the external links goes to a book on amazon he wrote, so it is mentioned in that manner. -Goldom 莨夊ｩｱ 謚慕ｨｿ 05:00, 29 May 2006 (UTC)


 * http://www.ifcss.net  is a place about overseas Chinese in the 90s. He was a leader in 1989 and after, mentioned in New York Times, Washington Post, Los Angeles Times and many other places.


 *  AFD relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.  Please add new discussions below this notice. Thanks, Mailer Diablo 14:45, 4 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete no clear sign of notability Bwithh 15:46, 4 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Today is June 4th when some of us forget the June 4th of 1989. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Student80 (talk • contribs)
 * This gratuitous comment does not help your cause. If he's notable, show that he's notable.  --Nlu (talk) 02:48, 5 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete as subject does not appear to meet the criteria for inclusion at WP:BIO. Willing to reconsider if anyone can add a verifiable citation from a reliable source that he meets the [[WP:BIO criteria as an author.  Right now I don't see any evidence that his book has sold enough to meet that criteria.--Isotope23 16:28, 5 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Comment - Does the fact that he's a published author make him notable enough? Hong Qi Gong 17:26, 5 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Comment - He appeared in New York Times, Washington Post, Los Angeles Times, San Jose Mercury News when he was IFCSS's president in 1989-1990s. Also, a lot and a lot in Chinese language media. Definitely, he is well-known to overseas Chinese students and scholars of 1980s and 1990s. Student80


 * Merge into Independent Federation of Chinese Students and Scholars if that survives AfD; delete otherwise. Non-notable. --Wzhao553 06:47, 6 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Comment - He is one of the 49 overseas Chinese on China Government's top black list ( see http://www.hrw.org/reports/1995/China.htm - Number 6 in list B). Only 49 in this top list.
 * His name Liu Yongchuan is still one of the web terms blocked by the Chinese government. (see http://www.seedwiki.com/wiki/china_digital_space/list_of_filtered_keywords?wpid=200233 ).
 * Comment - Edited to keep only the ones easily to be verifiable. Feel free to edit more.ifcss


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.