Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Live Phish Downloads: 10.31.90


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The result was   delete. except Live Phish Downloads: Headphones Jam \ Backslash Forwardslash / (talk) 03:08, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Live Phish Downloads: 10.31.90

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Being bold, I am nominating 83 articles for deletion. All of these recordings are live recordings which were only released on Phish's official website. These were not released in stores. The latest article to be added to this collection was nominated for deletion, and later deleted. Other live albums have also been deleted. Letting these articles stay would be setting a large precedent, and would allow articles for every download listed on, , to be created.  TheWeak   Willed   (T * G)  18:27, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

A few notes
 * No I don't hate Phish. I like some of their songs, and love Phish Food.
 * Not a ballot added since the sheer size of this AfD, and the size of Phish's fanbase, which may come here to vote.
 * While most of these articles are exactly the same, special attention should be given to Live Phish Downloads: Headphones Jam, Live Phish Downloads: Coventry, and Live Phish Downloads: It. These articles are significantly different than the other 80 recordings.
 * I have manually tagged all the articles, but to save time and a ton of space, all the articles that I am nominating are contained in the below template, which I have made:


 * Keep Live Phish Downloads: Headphones Jam -- Jammy Award winner for Download of the Year, 2008. As yet neutral on the others. &mdash;  Music  Maker  5376  20:39, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

-Mgard7331 (talk) 06:58, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * My opinion on the matter is that the downloads from 12.31.02 and onwards (every show since and including this date has been officially released following the conclusion of the show) should be deleted, while those from beforehand should stay.
 * Is this the equivalent of an album?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 01:08, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes. &mdash; Music  Maker  5376  01:42, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Aren't most albums of notable bands notable? What is different about this one?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 05:29, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I think the objection stems from the fact that they weren't released as albums, per se, but instead released online. All of them -- save for the Headphones Jam -- are live recordings of concerts.  The band has released essentially every concert since 12/31/02 as such, and, it can be assumed, intends to release every concert they will play in such a fashion.  This has the potential to be just the tip of the iceberg.  However, as noted by Mgard above, the first 20 releases or so have been archival releases.
 * Most albums of notable bands are notable. It will be next to impossible to determine their charting status, as, if I'm not mistaken, downloads aren't charted, nor will it be likely to determine the individual notability of each release, as the sheer number of them tends to dilute their individual notability.  However, I can say with some confidence that a large subset of Phish's fanbase will likely own them all.  &mdash;  Music  Maker  5376  19:30, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * O.K. Delete all except the award winner--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 21:24, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete a lot The Jammy winner should be kept, but unless there is a good rationale on a case by case basis for the other albums they should go because the songs are already on notable albums and these are mere rerecordings, a mass product really, which deserves mention in the artist article but not these endless lists. Hekerui (talk) 08:30, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete all except the winner of the award (Headphones Jam). Wikipedia isn't an indiscriminate collection of information and I don't see the notability of the other releases.  Them  From  Space  02:44, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.